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References[edit]

This page needs more references. There's a lot of new age music artists and fans and lots of new age music available in stores and online, but the article doesn't have many footnotes. Does anyone have any ideas where we can find some good sources? --Tikilounge (talk) 19:07, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Have you looked through this reference list? This 23 August 2008 version of Space music#Footnotes dates to before the "Niche market" section and its references were removed.
The most generally useful reference I found among them is Allmusic, "the most comprehensive music reference source on the planet".[1] Reference 26 (currently 36 with corrected name spelling) links to several Allmusic pages related to New Age bin music. For convenience I've copied those links here:
Allmusic New Age music page
Allmusic Space music page
Allmusic Electronica music page
Allmusic Ambient music page
Milo 04:36, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Possible move[edit]

Would it be better to move this article to lower cased "New age music" and use "new age music" throughout articles? All is One (talk) 22:22, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

No. Softlavender (talk) 04:21, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Why not? Neither "new" nor "age" are proper nouns, and per Wikipedia, "Names of musical or literary genres do not require capitalization at all, unless the genre name contains a proper noun such as the name of a place. For example:

   Incorrect: They are a Psychedelic Rock band.
   Correct: They are a psychedelic rock band."

What is the difference between "a Psychedelic Rock band" and "a New Age band"? The capitalization (as with New Wave/new wave) looks outdated and inconsistent.Greg Fasolino (talk) 14:11, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

What makes new age so absolutely unique that it requires an exception like this to the accepted capitalization style? Softlavender, you have not responded to my logical argument, but I should also note that the burden of proof falls upon you, as this capitalization goes against Wikipedia rules. I respectfully ask for a debate before I make changes in accordance with those rules. Greg Fasolino (talk) 13:51, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

I support a move to lower-case.   – Ian, DjScrawl (talk) 21:06, 9 December 2013 (UTC) striking.   – Ian, DjScrawl (talk) 04:23, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
It should be hyphenated: new-age music. It would be ambiguous to have new age music. Bhny (talk) 22:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Do I like it, or think it overbold? Either-way, de facto, new-age (by 405 people, 4,357 times) seems to be a distinct new age (by 33,429 people, 203,466 times) sub-genre.   – Ian, DjScrawl (talk) 01:39, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Oh, great! This should put the cat amongst the pigeons! A sub-genre that depends upon what appears in some contexts to be a conventional use of the hyphen for a unit modifier, but must not be understood in that way! What next, eCCENTRIC cAPITALIZATION?—Jerome Kohl (talk) 02:06, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
I had another look and the tag-clouds do suggest distinction, but the tag-cloud for 'new-age' is not cohesive. Generally there, it seems to be some folks' shorthand for a handful of sub-genre.   – Ian, DjScrawl (talk) 02:47, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
I don't think we should look to Last FM's broken tag system for anything. They should merge the alternate spellings- newage, new-age, new+age etc. New-age with a hyphen is pretty standard. NYTimes uses it. Bhny (talk) 03:12, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Well, if the New York Times uses it, then it must be correct ;-) Just as a matter of interest, is this usage as a free-standing noun (as in, "new-age is the genre with which Elmer Fudd is most noted") or as a unit (compound) modifier (as in "Elmer Fudd is best known for his performance of new-age music")?—Jerome Kohl (talk) 03:54, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
New-age is a general term, not specifically music. Bhny (talk) 04:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
But of course. Please feel free to substitute other nouns and adjust the terminology ("Elmer Fudd is best known for his preparation of new-age banquets", "… writing new-age poetry", etc.). But what is the answer to the question?—Jerome Kohl (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
the answer is compound modifier[2] Bhny (talk) 06:35, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
I would have thought so. Even the New York Times would not be so illiterate as to write a sentence like, "The Age of Aquarius is a name sometimes given to the New-Age." Obviously, in the phrase "New-Age music" (or "new-age music") there must be a hyphen. This is beyond being a matter of opinion, subject to debate and a vote.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 07:00, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

To summarize- the page should be moved to New-age music and "new-age music" should be used in the article. Bhny (talk) 11:24, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Bhny (talk) 20:23, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
The overwhelming majority of dictionaries and other books use the spelling "New Age music". See OneLook and Google Book Search. 50.137.5.120 (talk) 22:36, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Music of the movement[edit]

I think this looks a whole lot more WP:SNOWBALLish when one considers such a move/name-change bridging the New_Age#Music interface, i.e. the place to discuss a move seems to be Talk:New Age (a page that looks featured-article calibre).   – Ian, DjScrawl (talk) 04:18, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Requested re-move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved due to no consensus. Ixfd64 (talk) 19:07, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


New-age musicnew age music – We do not hyphenate any other genre like this (new wave music, nu metal, no wave, new school hip hop etc.); the grammatical and disambiguation arguments made for it in the original discussion (which was not done via WP:RM, and so did not represent anyone but a handful of then-present editors of the article) were not very defensible. The hyphenation is actually wrong; new age is a genre/musical movement, not a description. That is, Kitaro is a "new age composer", a composer within the new age movement in music, not a composer of a new age, which is what "new-age composer" means). If one seriously believes a reader might somehow misinterpret new age music as "age music that is new" (?!?), 1) think again, and 2) just link it to this article. As in cases like industrial music and folk music, the word music is present simply as a disambiguator, like dog in German shepherd dog, which we do not write German-shepherd dog. The lower case should be retained; new age music is a general and very wide musical genre, only vaguely and peripherally related to the New Age movement of spiritual philosophy. New age music had its origins there, but has largely plotted its own course since the 1960s.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  01:45, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Clarification Some genres are hyphenated, e.g. avant-garde music and post-punk music, because the underlying terms are hyphenated (e.g. "the avant-garde", "a post-punk drummer"). I.e., they're not "genres like this", as phrased in the nomination.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  14:29, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Support. Agree with grammatical argument. ♫ Cricket02 (talk) 03:08, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Agree with grammatical argument. (How is it that we are coming to opposite positions based on the same reasoning?) The situation here is described with the term "unit modifier", and is not at all complicated. Contrary to what SMcCandlish says above, we do in fact hyphenate German-shepherd dog when we wish to refer to a dog of that breed, as opposed to a dog of any breed who works in Germany herding sheep. When standing alone, "new age" is not hyphenated, of course (e.g., "his music belongs in the category 'new age'"); when standing as a unit modifier, the hyphen is added. This is, BTW, not really a matter of grammar, but a matter of style. Most English-language publications (as opposed to English language publications) adhere to this style, but not all. Furthermore, there is a division of opinion about whether unit modifiers should always be hyphenated, or only in cases where there is ambiguity ("fast sailing ship" and "fast-sailing ship" are two different things, just like the German poodle who works as a shepherd). A small minority of English-language writers prefer to resolve these ambiguities in the opposite fashion: "fast sailing-ship", for example, to denote a ship with sails that can achieve a high speed. In other languages, too, there may be differences, which is the reason "avant-garde" is hyphenated: it is a French term, and in French it is a hyphenated compound, so the hyphen is retained when it is borrowed into English.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 15:59, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose – per Jerome Kohl, the hyphen is perfectly normal here. It is common this way in sources, too. Dicklyon (talk) 04:23, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Support. It's new age and hence "new age music"; cf. heavy metal music. The opposition is surprising since the hyphenated form is not common at all.—Neodop (talk) 18:17, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Agree with grammatical argument of Jerome Kohl. Bhny (talk) 21:30, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I agree with Jerome Kohl that this is not, strictly speaking, a question of grammar, since the grammarians are divided about this and rational arguments can be for either reading. As a question of style, such a matter would normally be resolved by reference to WP:MOS; but, I don't believe this particular issue is therein addressed. Thus, I must resort to my understanding of how the phrase is more often written; in my personal experience, the hyphen is more often included than not. If a contrary citation is made to a section of WP:MOS that I've overlooked, I will gladly withdrawn opposition. Xoloz (talk) 17:35, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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Linking post-rock music to this genre[edit]

Are there any sources for this? It makes sense in a vague way, but that's WP:OR. 115.64.123.40 (talk) 00:24, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Pictures[edit]

The current layout of pictures creates sandwiching of text, which is discouraged by the MOS. Articles do not usually start with a picture on the top left as this apparently means that readers have difficulty finding the start of the text. I don't particularly want to revert this as I am unfamiliar with priorities here, so I leave it up to a regular editor to sort. See MOS:IMAGELOCATION for the guidelines.--SabreBD (talk) 15:47, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Removed ambigous "also called instrumental pop". Who in the world could call the vocal-using ethno-electronic downtempo music "instrumental" or "pop"? And how does this correspond with Easy listening article? Quite an obvious mistake. Garret Beaumain (talk) 20:17, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Jean Michel Jarre[edit]

WTF !!! NOTHING ABOUT JEAN MICHEL JARRE ???????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.90.213.255 (talk) 19:03, 19 December 2013 (UTC)