Talk:New York City Department of Education
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- 1 Comment
- 2 Need to improve the History section
- 3 Name change and who is in charge.
- 4 Regions
- 5 Bronx High School of Science
- 6 Region deletion
- 7 Image copyright problem with File:City ed logo.jpg
- 8 Teachers section needs a serious rewrite
- 9 Sources
- 10 History of the New York Schools?
- 11 Schools and organization
- 12 NYC spending per student
- 13 Italian documents
- 14 Languages missing articles about the district NYCDOE
This is a very rosey picture of the NYC schools. This school had 2 kids expelled. What about the issues of underfinancing relative to surrounding school systems and other large urben school systems? What about criticisms from Kozol and others that the NYC school system is as segregated as Alabama's in the 50s? Can we tackle these issues in the entry?
- The above anonymous writer is dead-on. This is written as though someone at the Tweed Courthouse headquarters wrote it. Teaching 20:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well, then find the page numbers in Kozol's book and/or cite sources. And "This school had 2 kids expelled" - Which one? Why were they expelled? Why is that important? AFAIK expulsions from the NYCDOE happen frequently because the NYCDOE has more students than there are people in Wyoming. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:50, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Need to improve the History section
The history section seems to be exclusively about nutritional changes in lunch menus.
Name change and who is in charge.
The system changed from "Board of Education to "Department of Education" when it became an office of the Mayor. Ultimately, the mayor of New york City is in charge of the Department of Education and is responsible for its success or failures. However, Mayor Bloomberg gives enormous latitude to Chancellor Joel Klein and never seems to question his (Klein's) motives or decisions.
At the city's most elite, competitive public high schools, the student demographics are different. In the 2005-6 school year, blacks made up 4.8% of the Bronx Science student body, down from 11.8% in 1994-95. At Stuyvesant High School, blacks comprised 2.2% of the student body, down from 4.4%. Hispanic enrollment has declined at the three schools and white enrollment has declined at two of the three. At the same time, the Asian population has soared to 60.6% at Bronx Science, up from 40.8% 11 years ago . Education experts suggest the demographics of these elite specialized high schools are influenced by the use of competitive entrance exams as the sole criteria for admission.
- OK, tell me what is the third school.
- Probably talking about Brooklyn Tech —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 23:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Is there any reason to have these large and ungainly templates inserted into the article when the article itself states that they're going to be dissolved in a matter of weeks anyway? Ford MF 17:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Let's put them on templates for deletion and create new templates for the new regions. WhisperToMe 21:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Bronx High School of Science
What's with the picture of a greek temple for bronx science?? I don't know how to change it. --220.127.116.11 18:39, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I've put Region 9 Template up for TfD . The rest seem to be articles, not regions. We should delete them, next. In the meantime, the links to the regions need to be removed from a bunch of articles. It occurs to me that a general article about the history of the NYC Board of Education, or at least about its changing structure, might be in order. Can this main article incorporate history? Jd2718 (talk) 00:42, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- Regions were the division used from around 2005 to around 2009. They were were abandoned when the city went back to the district system of organizing the system. However, Regions are still used in some discussions by the city and the union. It is still useful for the delineations to be clear, in the interest of the general public's understanding what is being referred to with "Regions".Gogue2 (talk) 12:41, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Image copyright problem with File:City ed logo.jpg
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Teachers section needs a serious rewrite
The information in this section, especially that the DOE believes that there is a chronic teacher shortage, is either outdated or false. The DOE is in the process of implementing round after round of layoffs and headcount reductions by attrition, and rather than a shortage, there are many teachers unable to find work (the classic definition of a glut).
The current version seems to parrot the circa 2000-2004 NYC point of view rather than being an attempt at an objective presentation and I do feel it needs to be radically changed, both to remove partiality and to bring it up to date with the current environment.
- The sentence had no source, so I deleted it. Remember that we have WP:Be bold, so please make changes that you feel are necessary. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
- "National briefs." Houston Chronicle. Friday June 16, 1995. A21. - This mentions Ramon Cortines's quitting as chancellor. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
History of the New York Schools?
It seems a shame we do not have information about the history of schools in NY City. I imagine it would be an interesting subject. I looked at the NY DOE site and found no cites on that site at first sight. Darned shame. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 10:53, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Schools and organization
I blanked the section which was riddled with errors and outdated references, starting with the claim that each neighborhood has a zoned middle and elementary school. It would be good to have a section there, but sources must be current (post-2007, and no earlier). Jd2718 (talk) 01:44, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
NYC spending per student
In 2007, it was reported that in the 2005 fiscal year New York City spent $13,755 per student. Ref The Highest Per-Pupil Spending in the U.S. By Sewell Chan (May 24, 2007) New York Times
There don't seem to be too many, but I found:
- http://docs.nycenet.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-184/A-663%20Attachment%20-%20Italian.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6GHe8cpAV
Languages missing articles about the district NYCDOE
NYCDOE has websites in multiple languages, and has documents in additional languages.
Of the following languages which have full out websites, these ones do not yet have articles on the NYCDOE:
- Haitian Creole
Of the following languages which have document translations, these ones do not yet have articles on the NYCDOE: