Talk:New York City Subway

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Mentioning of Other Systems[edit]

Is there really a need to mention the nomenclature of other systems, such as said in this statement,This terminology is also used to a loose extent in the Taipei Metro, where trains run on different named "lines" that are part of colored "routes", and on the Washington Metro, where colored "lines" are part of lettered "routes". This article is only about the New York City Subway. By mentioning the nomenclature (or other facts) of other systems, it can go off topic of relating primarily to the New York City Subway. Since there are some editors who seem to be debating over this, please leave comments on this issue. Mysteryman557 (talk) 04:49, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

It is legitimate to say that the discussed system is similar to certain other systems in a certain regard. If this statement raises questions, we can rewrite it into a separate paragraph. Vcohen (talk) 10:23, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Comparisons with other systems are relevant when discussing superlatives. For example, saying that the NYC system has the most stations is useful. So is saying that it is the busiest in the US. If the NYC system were the only one in the world to use the "lines"/"routes" terminology, saying so might be relevant as well. But it isn't, so that isn't anything special. Why, then, should this article mention anything about the DC or Taipei metros? That's classic WP:TRIVIA. (Not to mention the fact that the whole paragraph is uncited, and that "loose" is totally meaningless (Taipei uses the same terminology, or it doesn't), but those are secondary weaknesses with the text.) Ylee (talk) 18:53, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
These are the only three systems that make the distinction. Also, the linked articles have citations—you can look at those. You can't remove a paragraph solely because the paragraph is tangential; the relation between the three systems is pointed out. Epicgenius(give him tiradecheck out damage) 17:34, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
It is legitimate to give examples of other systems with similarity. However, I do not see anything close to NYC subway in the Taipei and DC metros from the perspective of lines and routes. Perhaps, the preceding sentences should clearly communicate its uniqueness that:
"... A route (service) may utilize many named lines. For example, the R route operates along the IND Queens Boulevard Line as well as the BMT Broadway Line and the BMT Fourth Avenue Line. On the other hand, a named line may also serve many routes. For example, the BMT Fourth Avenue Line is used by the D, N and R routes."
Once the above point about NYC subway is established, then we can look at the Taipei and DC metros objectively whether there are similarities. In case of Taipei, the Red livery contain two lines (which are two services). These two services/lines are on a shared physical rail line. The shared physical rail lines in Taipei are not named, however. The Taipei network in a trunk/branch configuration is very typical in rapid transit and commuter rail. Searching through rail maps from many cities, you will see that trunk/branch configuration. In the case of DC, there are services that switch the physical rail lines (note the Blue, Yellow and Green). However, to my knowledge, those physical rail lines are not separately named like in NYC. A service switching to another "unnamed" physical rail lines like in DC case is quite common too. BART, Brussels Metro, and Oslo Metro are some examples. So, I think when mentioning Taipei and DC metros in this context, it will make readers more confused than helping because they are not really similar to NYC. Z22 (talk) 05:21, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
I believe it's legitimate—the NYC Subway makes that distinction as does the Taipei and Washington Metros. In Taipei, for example, the Nangang Route is part of the Blue Line, but not the other way around. Same thing with the J train—the BMT Jamaica Line is part of the J service, but the J is not part of the BMT Jamaica Line. Epicgenius(give him tiradecheck out damage) 17:34, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Station ridership[edit]

I notice that recent updates were made to the numbers for MTA Annual Subway Ridership, which required a lot of work editing every station. This process could be automated by creating a Template database to be read by those infobox parameters. Look at how {{TRTS ridership}} and {{TRTS ridership-rank}} are used. Note that if you don't use any punctuation, calculations can be made using those values. Everything could then be updated in one place. There should be some way to create one template of station names with multiple values and switch on the parameter required. Secondarywaltz (talk) 21:06, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

How fast will it work, regarding the fact that there are more than 400 stations in the NYC Subway? Vcohen (talk) 22:11, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Templates work immediately. Considering that there are 421 ranks that need to be updated, at about 1 station per minute, the ridership can be updated manually in about 7 man-hours. If a template for {{NYCS ridership}} is made, the the passenger count, the station ranking, and the pass-percent would all need to be put in. Epicgenius (talk) 13:54, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
I've collected the raw data at my MTA ridership data page. Epicgenius (talk) 15:24, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

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