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Is this edit correct?[edit]

I mean this one? The reason I ask is that the editor who made it has been making similar edits to the Canada article and they're not correct. The editor makes the changes without explaining why and, on the Canada article at least, has no clue about the subject and the changes are either against guidelines such as WP:OVERLINK, against the references or just plain wrong. I don't want to revert the editor's changes here, but would very much like to see some concerted effort made to stop this editor if the edits are not constructive. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:17, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

I see that the editor has made those types of edits before, but at least with an edit summary. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:21, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Natives of New Zealand[edit]

I would like to know why there is no mention of the Moriori being the original settlers of New Zealand and the fact that the Maori committed genocide and wiped them out. The Maoris' claim to New Zealand as their native land is a farce, they hold the country and its people to ransom, cause civil unrest, refuse to honour the Laws and will eventually cause civil war in NZ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiwiatheart (talkcontribs) 06:28, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Can you please provide some reliable references for your statement(s). This would then be a basis for changing the article. Murray Langton (talk) 07:04, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
This is a myth, and is not supported by reliable references. The article is accurate. -- Shudde talk 12:48, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

New Zealand's Maori name[edit]

I'm not to sure how all this works. I don't know what a tildes is but out of general interest I looked up my Country, New Zealand. I don't know how to edit the page but Aotearoa is not the Maori name for New Zealand. That term is specific iwi (tribe) term for their territory, which is far north. Nui Terini is the Maori name for New Zealand, it's written on the Treaty of Waitangi for example, as well as cited in any quality New Zealand history book. I don't know if any one cares at Wiki but other iwi find the domination of one iwi's customs over theirs problematic. 118.92.85.34 (talk) 00:12, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Aotearoa is the Maori name for New Zealand. pcuser42 (talk) 00:16, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Nui Terini is the maori name for new zealand because that is what is written across the front of our marae and has been for over a hundred years. aotearoa has always been "something from up north".

Interesting. Pcuser42 has made a common and very excusable error. Maori decide what is maori not central govt, Nui Terini is the maori name for NZ at least around here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.69.29.202 (talk) 04:01, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Kia ora. "Niu Tireni" (as it's usually spelled) is an alternative Māori name for New Zealand, and certainly one with a long history, but it isn't used much these days. While "Aotearoa" originally referred to just the North Island, it has since become by far the most common Māori name for New Zealand as a whole, used by Māori and non-Māori alike. I've never heard of a Far North iwi (nor a rohe) by that name, though – at least not from anyone in my iwi (Ngāti Awa). Can you give more specific information? Liveste (talkedits) 13:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2014[edit]

Under the section 'Language', I would like to suggest that the last line in the first paragraph be removed.

"Hence, the New Zealand pronunciation of words such as "bad", "dead", "fish" and "chips" sound like "bed", "did", "fush" and "chups" to non-New Zealanders."

There is no citation next to this sentence and furthermore it appears to be more of a personal opinion from one "non-New Zealander".

There is a an elaborate explanation of of this unique New Zealand pronunciation in the Wikipedia entry New Zealand English which provides a more sensible and impartial definition. This can be found in that Wikipedia article under the section Phonology, sub-section Short front vowels with citations included.

CinOvation (talk) 14:30, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. The reason I'm marking this as unclear is first you are asking for the line removed (which I'd be happy to do), then your asking it to be replaced with an alternate version which can be found on New Zealand English#Phonology with all the citation bells and whistles (which I'd also be happy to do). This leaves me unclear about if you want it gone or fixed. (I'd lean towards requesting it fixed with a nice "Please change X to Y", but it's your call). — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 15:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply.

The request to remove the line in question should be the one to proceed with as there are no citations.

The explanation I followed up with was just some information for those who do want to investigate that line further. You can ignore that information. Sorry for the confusion.

So the line, "Hence, the New Zealand pronunciation of words such as "bad", "dead", "fish" and "chips" sound like "bed", "did", "fush" and "chups" to non-New Zealanders." should be removed.

Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CinOvation (talkcontribs) 20:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure that it needs a citation, as it is simply providing examples of the vowel shifts stated in the previous sentence. Adabow (talk) 23:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi all,

Please read the full reason:

...Furthermore it appears to be more of a personal opinion from one "non-New Zealander". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.120.90.251 (talk) 01:23, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


Hello all,

I see that the line is still there. I'm wondering how long will it be before it is removed. I've had some feedback from contacts in New Zealand who agree that the line should be removed.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.120.90.251 (talk) 15:15, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I'd like to suggest that somewhere in the New Zealand section a small addition is made along the lines of 'to a seasoned traveler of many visits just being in New Zealand is good for the soul' it's a personal view obviously but one I feel that people who have visited New Zealand would agree with.

thank you 87.115.43.31 (talk) 20:29, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Inappropriate terminology[edit]

I'm concerned about the fourth line on the page, which reads "Because of its remoteness, it was one of the last lands to be settled by humans." A few sentences later, "Polynesians settled New Zealand in 1250–1300 CE and ..."

In the first sentence, "humans" should be replaced by "Europeans". As it stands, the wording implies that Polynesians, and by extension Maori, are not humans. The word may in the past have been "Europeans" and has possibly been changed by someone bent on racist mischief. Akld guy (talk) 02:29, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

It must be unclear, because you have taken an interpretation of it quite different from mine. Mine is: Well before 1250 CE, almost every land mass was settled by humans; New Zealand was one of the last land masses to be settled, and it was settled by Polynesians. Europeans came later. Does that make more sense to you? If so, how do you suggest we re-word the article so its meaning is clearer?-gadfium 09:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Your explanation may well be correct, but the "Europeans [that] came later" in the wave of emigration of 1820-1850 were probably the last in history to settle a new land and probably deserve some distinction too. Akld guy (talk) 12:00, 5 August 2014 (UTC)