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[edit] Research in peer-reviewed journals
This article contains too much of the he-said, she-said of opinion columns. I have started a section devoted to Research on the new Anti-semitism that has been publishedin peer-reviewed journals.Historicist (talk) 20:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- Although the two academic studies referenced under this title are worthy of inclusion, I don't think it's appropriate to portray them as any sort of definitive statement on the subject. "Research in peer-reviewed journals" is clearly an inappropriate title. CJCurrie (talk) 22:22, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
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- Have you read the studies? They are compelling. Do you really htink that this belongs only at the end of the article?Historicist (talk) 22:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
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- I'm sure the articles make some valid points, but that's not the issue here. My point is that it's not appropriate to use these two academic articles as a definitive statement on a subject as complex as "new anti-Semitism". To respond to your second point, I'm certain that these two articles aren't important enough to mention on line 38; if you can think of a better place for the section, please suggest it. CJCurrie (talk) 23:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
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- Agreed. The nature of science (and especially social science) is such that no single experiment or observation instantly creates a scientific consensus. Such results should certainly be included, but they should be presented as what they are: points of information, not definitive and unassailable conclusions. --FOo (talk) 16:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- That material doesn't mention "new antisemitism" at all. I'm removing it again. csloat (talk) 22:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- the material consists of two, formal, academic papers that appeared in peer-reviewed journals both addressing the issue of the new antisemitism. Frankly, I am at a loss to understand the Commodore's objection. The material is below.:Historicist (talk) 18:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
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- Please do not restore the material; it does not discuss "the new antisemitism." It discusses antisemitism but nowhere does it specifically discuss the neologism that this Wikipedia article is about. I realize one of the article is quoted as discussing "a new theoretical model of anti-Semitism," but that is distinctly not "new antisemitism"; a quick look at the abstract of that article reveals that the phrase "new theoretical model" is about plain old antisemitism, and that in fact the model is introduced in this study itself, not in the 1960s or whenever this article asserts that "new antisemitism" begins. Saying that these studies are on a topic similar to "new antisemitism" or inferring from their content that they are related to the "new antisemitism" that this article is about is pretty clearly an act of original research. If the studies don't mention "new antisemitism," we cannot claim that they do. csloat (talk) 22:03, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
- Hist, can you say where the material uses the phrase "new antisemitism?" IronDuke 23:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
- According to Wikipedia: "New antisemitism is the concept that a new form of antisemitism has developed in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, emanating simultaneously from the left, the right, and fundamentalist Islam, and tending to manifest itself as opposition to Zionism and the State of Israel." That is what these two studies are about. There is nothing magical about the phrase "New AntiSemitism." The keys, according to t Wikipedia article, are that a) it is a contemporary phenomenon b) it manifests itself as opposition to Isrel and Zionism. The 2009 study defines its topic this way: "Anti-Semitism is resurgent throughout much of the world. A new theoretical model of anti-Semitism is presented and tested in 3 experiments. The model proposes that mortality salience increases anti-Semitism and that anti-Semitism often manifests as hostility toward Israel." The 2006 study begins with this: "In the discourse surrounding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, extreme criticisms of Israel (e.g., Israel is an apartheidstate,theIsraelDefenseForcesdeliberatelytargetPalestiniancivilians),coupled with extreme policy proposals (e.g., boycott of Israeli academics and institutions, divest from companies doing business with Israel), have sparked counterclaims that such criticisms are anti-Semitic (for only Israel is singled out)." Clearly they are talking aobut the phenomenon that Wikipedia chooses to name as "New Anti-Semitism." A quick read of the articles makes it patent that they discuss the same phenomenon as the Wikipedia article describes.Historicist (talk) 00:51, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
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- Please see WP:SYN. What you see "clearly" in these articles is not actually written in these articles. The problem is that the very concept of "new antisemitism" is disputed, so bringing in articles that don't even use the phrase and citing them as evidence of "new antisemitism" as a concept with academic standing is a troubling use of original research. csloat (talk) 07:57, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
- Well, csloat has a point, but I think in the end the use is justified here. It's a fine point, if you like, but this article is about the concept, not the term, new antisemitism. And the study in question purports to deal with that concept, as I think Historicist establishes. Imagine, for example, that the study only referenced "Jew hating," and not "antisemitism." It could still have a place in the antisemitism article. IronDuke 15:49, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
- But there is no indication that the study actually deals with that concept at all. There is, in fact, substantial disagreement about what that concept even is and whether it exists. There have already been substantial disagreements among Wikipedia editors about whether it is a concept with academic standing of any sort. To include two articles like this under a heading of "academic" sources purports to give scholarly legitimacy to a concept that neither of these scholars ever mention once in their work. Your analogy to "Jew hating" is incomplete -- there is no disagreement about whether "Jew hating" is a form of antisemitism. But there is substantial disagreement about the meaning of "new antisemitism." To include these cites under the "academic" heading is to use them to make an argument that is not made in the citations themselves -- the very essence of what is prohibited under WP:SYN. csloat (talk) 18:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, but isn't the subject dealt with in the study directly relevant to what some scholars etc. refer to as NAS? IronDuke 23:23, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry for the late reply, I just noticed this. It is possibly the case but if the authors don't make that connection, Wikipedia should not make it for them. csloat (talk) 01:45, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- Is it possible to include those articles as an argument for a particular definition of anti-semitism, or with some sort of heading like "Connecting Anti-Zionism with Antisemitism?"--Quantum mechanik (talk) 18:24, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
- I don't believe so -- this sounds like precisely what is prohibited under WP:SYN. If the authors make the connection themselves that is a different story but I do not believe we can make it for them. csloat (talk) 19:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Academic studies
A 2009 study entitled "Modern Anti-Semitism and Anti-Israeli Attitudes", published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology in 2009, tested new theoretical model of anti-Semitism with 3 experiments. The research team's theoretical model proposed that mortality salience (reminding people that they will someday die) increases anti-Semitism and that anti-Semitism is often expressed as anti-Israel attitudes. The first experiment showed that mortality salience led to higher levels of anti-Semitism and lower levels of support for Israel. The study’s methodology was designed to tease out anti-Semitic attitudes that are concealed by polite people . The second experiment showed that mortality salience caused people to perceive Israel as very important, but did not cause them to perceive any other country this way. The third experiment showed that mortality salience led to a desire to punish Israel for human rights violations but not to a desire to punish Russia or India for identical human rights violations. According to the researchers, their results “suggest that Jews constitute a unique cultural threat to many people’s worldviews, that anti-Semitism causes hostility to Israel, and that hostility to Israel may feed back to increase anti-Semitism.” Furthermore, "those claiming that there is no connection between antisemitism and hostility toward Israel are wrong."[1]
A 2006 study in the Journal of Conflict Resolution argued that although almost no respondents in countries of the European Union regarded themselves as antisemitic, antisemitic attitudes correlated with anti-Israel opinions.[2] Looking at populations in 10 European countries, Small and Kaplan surveyed 5,000 respondents, asking them about Israeli actions and classical anti-Semitic stereotypes. "There were questions about whether the IDF purposely targets children, whether Israel poisons the Palestinians' water supply - these sorts of extreme mythologies," Small says. "The people who believed the anti-Israel mythologies also tended to believe that Jews are not honest in business, have dual loyalties, control government and the economy, and the like," Small says. According to this study, anti-Israel respondents were 56% more likely to be anti-Semitic than the average European. "This is extraordinary. It's off the charts." says Small. The study also found that popular levels of both antisemitism and anti-Israel opinion were lower than expected, and did not equate antisemitism with anti-Zionism.[3]
==References}
- ^ Modern Anti-Semitism and Anti-Israeli Attitudes, Florette Cohen, Department of Psychology, The College of Staten Island, City University New York; Lee Jussim, Department of Psychology, Rutgers University, New Brunswick; Kent D. Harber, Department of Psychology, Rutgers University, Newark; Gautam Bhasin, Department of Counseling, Columbia Teacher’s College, Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 2009, Vol. 97, No. 2, 290–306 [1]
- ^ Kaplan, E. H., & Small, C. A. (2006). Anti-Israel sentiment predicts anti-Semitism in Europe. Journal of Conflict Resolution, 50, 548–561.
- ^ Yale expert: Not enough known about anti-Semitism, Aug. 8, 2007, Haviv Rettig Gur , THE JERUSALEM POST [2]
[edit] Antisemitism and anti-Israelism
Yesterday we had a fine example of wikipedia no-nothingism. Two well-designed academic studies were published establishing not only that there a link between anti-Semitism and anti-Israel attitudes and activism, (the studies show that people with anti-Israel opinions, people who would never utter an anti-Semitic word and who deny being at all anti-Semitic, harbor deeply anti-Semitic attitudes,) but that anti-Israel rhetoric demonstrably leads to anti-Semitic attitudes and incidents. I attempted to add a sentence, (differently tailored sentences) to four or five articles that contain lengthy sections on the argument over whether there is a link between anti-Semitism and anti-Israel rhetoric. CJCurrie followed me around and removed the sentences from all but one article. I do not know if CJCurrie is such a person, but there are some people who cannot bear to see actual evidence that contradicts their deary-held beliefs. The pity is that quite a few of them edit Wikipedia.Historicist (talk) 14:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC) |}
There is no need to attack other editors. Please continue the discussion above with a view towards consensus, rather than towards finding ways to condemn other editors. --FOo (talk) 16:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Please stop adding original research to this article. Thanks! csloat (talk) 17:58, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
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- Oh I agree too. Now you just need to find studies that actually talk about "new antisemitism." We've already discussed this above -- these are not studies of "new antisemitism" and in fact they don't even mention it. There is also a huge ethical problem with introducing this in a separate section entitled "academic studies" as if these studies backed up the concept of "new antisemitism" when they in fact do not even address the concept. So besides WP:OR there are WP:NPOV and just basic deception issues here. Please do not use Wikipedia as a forum to spread original research or to create misleading impressions of reliable sources. These articles are probably relevant to this article, however. csloat (talk) 19:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] of interest
This AfD and the article in question. More thoughtful comments are needed. Slrubenstein | Talk 01:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Farrakhan, expert on Jews
I find this troubling and hope pthers will comment: [3] Slrubenstein | Talk 22:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
