Talk:Nightwing

Tad Ryerstad References

There is a section in the article about Tad Ryerstad that asks for references. I would change them in the article but I don't know what "volume" they are from. Frankly, I don't know what vol.1 and vol.2 of Nightwing are. (Can someone explain?) Anyway the references are as follows: Tad kills the FBI agent in Birds of Prey #20 and Nightwing chases him down in Nightwing #47. Setitup (talk) 01:32, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I understand now :) I made the changes Setitup (talk) 01:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Split

In case your wondering I am very dissapointed that the Dick grayson and nightwing page was splintered without first a thourough discussion, several options analyzed and then a consensus vote that is approved. That is why I reverted the page until all dissenting voices are heard. Click here for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_hold_a_consensus_vote

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Nightwing (Marvel)

I'm wondering whether Marvel's "Nightwing Restorations" should be mentioned here... 09:30, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I think a short blurb to it's own article would be okay. (she says having no idea what that is in Marvel Verse...) -- Ipstenu 14:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

A comic, I'd bet. One-shot, perhaps or a short storyline. There's no article for it, so anything looking for it on wikipedia is out of luck. The Anti-Gnome 23:30, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Knightwing Restorations is a detective agency run by Misty Knight and Colleen Wing, who are also known as the Daughters of the Dragon. They've been around since the mid '70s. The k spelling is the correct one according to Marvel, so they probably don't belong on this page.Tim gueguen 18:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Dick as Nightwing pic

Nice, but could it be reduced in size and placed on the left next to his specific entry, placing it more in balance with the rest of the article? CovenantD 18:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. I've returned it to the size it was before the whole page was redone. Not that this wasn't fun, but there is a "show preview" function. Next time, try to handle this yourself. It's simple once you get the hang of it. User: Ace Class Shadow The Anti-Gnome 20:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I know how, I just didn't want to step on anyone's toes. CovenantD 20:46, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Well, I'm used to doing that anyway so no problem. Ha!

Seriously, though, if you can justify an edit, go for it. User: Ace Class Shadow The Anti-Gnome 20:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC) Looks good but it could use some editing Maybe they could place it somewhere else.........

Merge the Nightwing and Dick Grayson pages

Per the rules of Wikipedia:

Whenever there are:

Two or more pages on related subjects that have a large overlap. Wikipedia is not a dictionary; there does not need to be a separate entry for every concept in the universe. For example, "Flammable" and "Non-flammable" can both be explained in an article on Flammability.

If a page is very short and cannot or should not be expanded terribly much, it often makes sense to merge it with a page on a broader topic. If a short article requires the background material or context from a broader article in order for readers to understand it.

If you take out the part on the Nightwing page about "Dick Grayson" and "Other Media" both of which are already mentioned on the Dick Grayson page then this page barely is a few short paragraghs!!(I even did this to show everyone how small the page is). Therfore I think the Nightwing should be merged with Dick Grayson and any other minor charcacters who have used the Nightwing persona should be briefly mentioned at the end of the page sort of like a Trivia.

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Discussion

There are multiple characters, all with their own pages, who are Nightwing, including historical figures such as Superman/Olsen as Nightwing and Flamebird who deserve recognition as such. The fact that this page was split into a, effectively, disambig page about the various Nightwings reflects the discussion we had recently about this. If it comes to a vote, I think the page should stay as is, and if anyone can expand the other blurbs please do. The goal is, IIRC, to make this like The Flash or Green Lantern, both of which are pages which effectively address multiple uses of the same name. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 01:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

You mentioned The Flash and Green Lantern both have disambiguation pages that are several pages long, covering vasts amounts of information that those characters require. A quick glance at the Nightwing page is a different story. If you take out the "Other Media" section(which only talks about Dick Grayson) and the portion which discuss "Dick Grayson" which are both repeated again in the separate Dick Grayson page then all you have is a tiny little splinter article.

Remember, per the rules "If a page is very short and cannot or should not be expanded terribly much, then its unnecessary...Wikipedia is NOT a dictionary; there does not need to be a separate entry for every concept in the universe." If we can make the pages more concise by merging articles then we have to. I think for sake of economy this is the best thing to do. [[User:|69.235.249.152]]

I agree with Ipstenu, and I would prefer that this article not be merged. Nightwing and Dick Grayson are two different entities, and I think this article can be expanded so that Dick Grayson is not quite so dominant as he is now. --Chris Griswold 04:43, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, and there's the wiggleroom, 69.235.249.152 ;) If a page cannot be expanded. This one can be. In point of fact, moving it here was a sign that we did expand it. Yes, it still needs work, but so do a lot of stub pages. Moving back to Dick Grayson would be a step backwards, IMO. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 14:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree, MERGE the pages, the Nightwing stub article is just repeating information from the Dick Grayson page and there's no expansive history on the Nightwing mantle like Green Lantern because it doesn't exist, so this page will never grow. Combining them makes sense. Besides, Dick Grayson for all intents and purposes is the only Nightwing character. He's had a solo series, been featured in a tv show etc etc... --TheCoreOne 08:43, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

No merge The name Nightwing has a history that predates Dick Grayson's use, and continues to expand beyond him (see Power Girl). Dick Grayson has a history that is much larger than just his time as Nightwing. CovenantD 16:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

As Core mentioned the pages are simply redundant and repeating information. Take all that out and there is one sentence on some obscure character called Van-Zhee, a paragraph on Supes and a sentence on Power-Girl, per the rules of Wikipedia this is not sufficient to entail an entire stub article. Simple as that. All of this info should be merged into the Dick Grayson page because Wiki is not a dictionary and Dick Grayson is Nightwing. [[User:|69.235.249.152]]

I fail to see how the page stops being an encyclopedia entry just by having a short entry. (PS, you can sign your posts with ~~~~) -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 17:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

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Let me post the Reasons to Merge from wiki rules:

There are several good reasons to merge a page:

There are two or more pages on exactly the same subject.

There are two or more pages on related subjects that have a large overlap. Wikipedia is not a dictionary; there does not need to be a separate entry for every concept in the universe. For example, "Flammable" and "Non-flammable" can both be explained in an article on Flammability.

• once again to point out the Nightwing and Dick Grayson pages are simply redundant and repeating information*

If a page is very short and cannot or should not be expanded terribly much, it often makes sense to merge it with a page on a broader topic.

• there's no expansive history on the Nightwing mantle like Green Lantern because it doesn't exist, so this page will never grow*

If a short article requires the background material or context from a broader article in order for readers to understand it.

Ask yourself this question:if Dick Grayson hadn't decided to take on the codename Nightwing and create the superhero identity all his own, would there even be a Nightwing page? Probablay not. I doubt Van-Zhee would have his own page ;)

--69.235.249.152 08:43, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh not again. No merge There is more to Dick than being Nightwing, just as there is more to Nightwing than Dick. The split was made because this information can be expanded upon, was expanded upon, and shouldn't be expanded upon on a page devoted to Dick Grayson.D1Puck1T 19:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I re-organized the page. It's less like a Dick Grayson article now, but it still needs to be expanded. --Chris Griswold 00:05, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Superman dressed as Batman

Am I wrong in thinking that Superman dressing as Batman in an episode of New Batman Adventures is an indirect reference to Nightwing? --Chris Griswold 01:18, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. I mean, if you're referring to the "Prodigal" storyline, then yeah, it very well could be, except that Superman was never asked to take the role of Batman, and Nightwing was. --192.138.52.41 06:27, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand what you are talking about. --Chris Griswold 07:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Honestly, I think this pic is all wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.223.222.10 (talk) 15:49, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Unnecessary Information ?

"In the series 52, while Dick Grayson, Robin and Batman are away, Nightwing comes to Gotham and meets the new Batwoman. On Christmas Eve, he gives her an official batarang." What has that got to do with any of the multiple nightwing thing? --Leistentreter 9:16, 4 May 2007

That was from back when we didn't know which Nightwing it was. Pulling. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 13:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Animated versions

Is it relevant information that all three animated Nightwings, despite being in different continuities, have the same costume design, with a blue bird chest insignia, rather than the jagged V of the comics version? Daibhid C 01:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Not really. - J Greb 01:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

This whole page feels redundant???=

All the info here is pretty much repeated on the Dick Grayson page. Not to metion the entire Other media section. What is the point of this page? Why can't this all be put into a single section on Dick Grayson page titled "Alternate NWs" or something. Similar to MAtt Murdocks page.

The first sentence pretty much sums it up: "Nightwing is a name used by at least six fictional characters in the DC Comics Universe." Anakinjmt (talk) 00:54, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

YOU ARE WRONG! That is comepltely misleading statement. There are NOT six NW's running around the DC universe. There is only ONE--Dick Grayson Nightwing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.185.34 (talk) 02:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

First, dial back the attitude and please review WP:CIVILITY.

Second, read the article.

Third, keep in mind that this is an article in a general purpose encyclopedia, nod a DC Comics centred one, and definitely not a Batman centered one. DC has reused the name multiple times.

Fourth, The general structure used with names that have been used for multiple characters is to strive for an all inclusive article for all of those characters. When length warrants it, separate articles for individual characters are done. For reference, please see Green Lantern, Flash (comics), Blue Beetle, and Atom (comics).

- J Greb (talk) 03:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

sorry I just don't want to mislead people. Funny you mention those characters--all of whom are either so called DC legacy characters or mantle chracters that have long histories and pass on their legacies to furture generations. NW codename is not like that. With NW you have 3 of the so called 6 people who have gone by Nightwing all happen in a single arc of a Nightwing comic--Bruce Jones run I believe all were imposters and dropped the name as soon as Nightwing apprehened them. Same thing has happened 3-4 times in the last decade to Dardevil,(most recently when 3 people took on the Daredvil identity). My point is they were self-contained story arcs. Why can't this just be mentioned as a side bar in a merged page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.185.34 (talk) 06:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay. After giving the article another readthrough, I can very much see your point. However, here is why there is a Nightwing article and a Dick Grayson article *takes deep breath*. The Dick Grayson article absolutely mentions him being Nightwing; when most people think of Nightwing, they think of Dick Grayson. However, Dick Grayson is also very famous for being the first Robin. Therefore, we cannot have Dick's article at Nightwing, because he has also used the name Robin, and by WikiProject Comics policy (I believe it's Wikiproject Comics anyways, might be a general Wikipedia policy), a character that has used several aliases in the comics has their article located at their real name; hence why Jason Todd's article is located at Jason Todd, because he's gone by Robin, Nightwing, and Red Hood, but Tim Drake's article is at Robin (Tim Drake), because he's only been Robin and not used another alias. Now that we have established why Dick's article can't be at Nightwing, why can we not merge the two articles? Because he is not the only person to have used the alias Nightwing. As I said above, Jason Todd used it. Superman has also used it (in fact, he used it first, as has Power Girl and others. You must mention them somewhere, but surely not at Dick Grayson's article, because they never took the name of Dick Grayson, only of Nightwing. You can mention them at their own articles (which, to my knowledge, they do), but the fact that multiple people in the DC Universe have used the alias Nightwing, and not just Dick Grayson, means that all the versions and people that have used the alias Nightwing should all be in one article for easier reference, and the only logical answer is a Nightwing article. So, really, this article exists because other people have used it. No matter how long or no matter how short they used the name, this is the only logical place to mention them, and of course, you must mention Dick, as he is the most famous person to use that name. A good portion of the article may resemble or even repeat info from the Dick Grayson article, but not all of this article does, and it is for that reason that there is a separate Nightwing article. Anakinjmt (talk) 14:11, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Sugggestions for improvements

Here are some small things we can do to improve this article:

• Fix red links. Most of the red links are links to non-existent pages of Superman's cousins. These should be redirected to an appropriate page or removed. Maybe someone with some knowledge of Superman knows where these pages should go.
• Expand/Verify the writers table. It would be nice to add the writers of the original mini-series. Also I caught and fixed at least one mistake in the writers table, there might be more.
• Supply volume & issue where there are tags.
• Streamline the sections on different Nightwings. I find that section hard to read because I don't know what's important. Should there really be a whole mini-section about Power Girl and Cheyenne Freemont? Maybe pick 2 or 3 important Nightwings then include everyone else in a section called "Other Nightwings" or something like that.
• Add a history of the Nightwing comic. Chuck Dixon and his team didn't do issue 53 because they were busy with other work (the reference is at the end of issue #53). Anyone know why they went through so many writers at the end? Anything else interesting about the publication history? The section "Collected editions" is a good start. The information included in that section has little to do with the collected editions, so...
• Rename the Collected editions section or move the information to a more appropriate section.
• Include issue numbers and other series that each of the story arcs runs through. In some cases (like the last laugh arc) it will be more appropriate to just state that the arc ran through many different DC comics (e.g Comic A, Comic B and Comic C) Setitup (talk) 02:21, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

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New picture

I was wondering if it would be alright to upload a new cover? I was thinking of the first cover of the New 52. --77.184.224.74 (talk) 17:15, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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In Other Media

What about Nightwing: the Series (2014)? IKhitron (talk) 20:34, 23 March 2023 (UTC)