Talk:Nine Inch Nails

Singular vs. plural

OK, will everyone stop messing around with the verb tenses while we sort this out? People had been edit warring over verb tenses, leaving the article in a big mess, with some sentences referring to the band in singular and others in plural. This morning I fixed the article back to a single tense (singular) and three edits later its already back to a mix of the two.

According to American_and_British_English_differences#Formal_and_notional_agreement, referring to the band in singular is proper American English, whether NIN is a "project" or a "band." According to Wikipedia:ENGVAR we need consistency within the article (instead of the current mess) and since NIN is an American group, I chose American English (again per [[Wikipedia:ENGVAR]]) and moved the article into singular. We need to confirm this decision here, move the article one usage or the other, and then stop this half-assed "I'm gonna change the usage in a few places and leave the rest of the article in the other usage" edit warring that has left the article such a mess -- Foetusized (talk) 22:12, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Keep it consistent. Singular tense is the correct tense in this case, so let's just leave it that way. Drewcifer (talk) 22:37, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I wanted some confirmation before I made the changes again -- Foetusized (talk) 12:33, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Please, please, please stop reverting the article back to a bad revision with a mix of singular and plural verbs for the band. Even if you think the article should be in plural, an inconsistent mix of both AmEng singular and BritEng plural is obviously wrong, and labeling reversions back to that version as "correct verb usage" is just wrong. Please discuss these changes here, before reverting back to the singular/plural mismatched mess -- Foetusized (talk) 16:02, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

So, just to be clear, we've got a consensus to keep it as singular tense here? That's how it seems to me, anyway. MorganaFiolett (talk) 15:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

That's the way I see it. Singular follows the rules at WP:ENGVAR (American English for an article about an American subject) and no one has posted here on the talk page explaining their support of the use of plural verbs in relation to NIN -- Foetusized (talk) 20:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Electronic rock

How about adding electronic rock to genre section? It is quite a new term and Nine Inch Nails has been considered as one of the most important figures of that genre. --217.24.78.200 (talk) 15:47, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

If no one objects, I add this genre to the article. --91.188.44.47 (talk) 14:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

The electronic rock article is a nice article about the history of synthesizers in rock music, with some original research claims that it makes up a genre. I don't think so -- Foetusized (talk) 23:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I object completely --TJMcDJ (talk) 20:09, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Dark Ambient

It has come to my attention that NIN had produced a bunch of Dark Ambient songs - and therefor the genre should be added to the wiki. Examples of Dark Ambient songs by NIN are: Corona Radiata and 999 999.

Dark Ambient is primarly an electronic genre but it also has strong roots in metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.115.0.116 (talk) 12:15, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Throwing Children

Is there a proper citation for the bit about Reznor throwing small children and animals into mosh pits in the live performances section? I've been unable to find anything, and the wording sort of smacks of trolling. Takerfoxx (talk) 06:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I haven't heard of him doing that. If you cant find a cite just delete it. nothing we cant fix if we find evidence later --TJMcDJ (talk) 16:24, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Hell No!!!

Pink Floyd would never be an influence on Trent. Trent Reznor likes bands like the normal, Bauhaus, and (most of all) David Bowie! The industrial feel to the whole band is because of Gary Numans Advancement to Industrial. is anyone else on the same page with what i am saying? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TJMcDJ (talk • contribs) 20:07, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

No. The article cited, The art of darkness, clearly states "If there was a template in his head, it was the album which touched him most when he was younger: Pink Floyd's "The Wall".". Your opinion is not a valid reference for the article. If what you say is true, find a third-party reliable reference and cite it. I'm reverting your changes. Mindmatrix 21:01, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Im gonna start off saying, my little bro felt like writing that and he doesnt understand the wiki standards, but i will say the article source for that may be unreliable if not said by Trent. At this moment i can't look at the source but Trent has been in many acts with Bowie , Numan , and Murphy kinda meaning by De facto we can say "low" is more of an influence. And if you look David Bowie was a big influence on Trent. I will look more into this later thanks for noting me on this. My little brother has been messing up my entries. --TJMcDJ (talk) 16:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

BotleySmith has already done so. However, the source (see this copy) only states "At the time, both were heavily into David Bowie's Low album, and Reznor cheerfully admitted that Spiral was heavily indebted to the Thin White Duke and his producer, Brian Eno..."; that is, it doesn't specifically note the influence of Low. Mindmatrix 21:23, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

here is a bit of infor that might help... this interview shows trents thoughts... by the wat im TJMcDJ but i cant get onto my account this very second Trent's and Bowie's Interview —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.226.189 (talk) 01:21, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Concept albums

Currently the fragile article makes a unourced statement that album is a concept album. I have started a conversation about this [1]. 13:55, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Removal of audio samples

The article was littered with samples of audio with virtually the same licensing. That's fine and dandy, but mind you these are non-free soundclips, not decoration. All of them violate the very first line in their licensing. "It illustrates an educational article that specifically discusses the song from which this sample was taken. The section of music used is discussed in the article in relation to the song's lyrics, musical and vocal style, and may contain part of the song's chorus." In most cases, there were no mention at all of the songs let alone the content of the songs anywhere in the article. You cannot possibly say the use of the samples this way is rationalised. The samples were appropriately used in the musical style section. Fixer23 (talk) 03:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Columbine influence?

I remember reading that the two kids who committed the high school massacre at Columbine were heavily influenced by NIN... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.88.117.72 (talk) 01:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Only The Downward Spiral. An entry has been made on Harris and Klebold within that album's page, but there is no need to include such information on the band's page. Ls883 (talk) 01:49, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: However... if a substantial amount of information can be formulated on the basis of NIN's controversy (read as: a couple of paragraphs -- for example, a size similar to this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Manson_(band)#Controversy ), not just one or two brief sentences, then I'd be willing to have it on the page. Ls883 (talk) 02:36, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

"Down In It" video

I propose that the entire section regarding the "Down In It" video and the resulting FBI investigation be removed from the main NIN page or replaced with the version of that story which appears on the page for the single. The version on the main page is a mess, even after I tried to rewrite it, while the other version is clear and features a direct quotation. The entire incident is also too much of a digression to deserve placement in the main NIN article when it also appears elsewhere.Fane1024 (talk) 06:05, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. Swapped text from Nine Inch Nails with text from Down in It. A\/\₉3r-(0la 00:13, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

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