Talk:Nineteen Eighty-Four

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the Wars ?[edit]

Everything in 1984 seems to be an effect or symptom of the perpetual wars...and the war economy. As if the story of Winston & Julia's struggle is merely an inconsequential daydream in the background, small eddy currents of the (omnipotent?) war—that EVERYBODY and all institutions will serve.

When Winston is reading The Book in bed, doesn't it say that the purpose of war is to impoverish (dis-empower) The People? If so, wouldn't that be one of the main themes? Possible Argument: The War Machine is the main character.
--68.127.80.58 (talk) 21:41, 6 September 2013 (UTC)Doug Bashford

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Nineteen Eighty-Four/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Khazar2 (talk · contribs) 11:14, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I'll take this one--thanks in advance to everybody who's worked on it. -- Khazar2 (talk) 11:14, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I was excited to see this one nominated, but it looks like this one still has some work to be done before it will be ready for GA.

  1. There are various cleanup tags, particularly citation needed tags, of long-standing that will need to be resolved.
  2. Interpretations such as "A major theme of Nineteen Eighty-Four is ..." should have citation, even if the answer is something as obvious as censorship. Explanations or theories like "The Thought Crime motif is drawn from Kempeitai, the Japanese wartime secret police, who arrested people for "unpatriotic" thoughts" also need citation.
  3. The list of songs and other works that reference 1984 seems to be an unnecessary amount of detail. It will also require citation from a secondary source to link each of these works to Orwell's original.

It doesn't look like the nominator has made any edits to this article yet, so I'm going to close this one for now as a premature nomination. I hope that editors here will continue work and consider renominating this one in the future, though; it's an important article and will easily bag a Million Award. Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 11:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Syme not moved to Inner Party[edit]

In the characters section, this excerpt looks like a personal interpretation:

Goldstein's book says that "Between the two branches of the Party there is a certain amount of interchange, but only so much as will ensure that weaklings are excluded from the Inner Party and that ambitious members of the Outer Party are made harmless by allowing them to rise." It is unknown whether Syme has been killed or promoted in the Inner Party in another province.

In addition, I disagree. O'Brien mentions that there's an expert in Newspeak that praised Smith's work but that he forgot his name. This confirms that Syme has been vaporized.

89.189.191.15 (talk) 19:08, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Anyone up for a push to FA?[edit]

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The derived works and adaptations section is atrocious. Taking a look at that might be nice. It's all unreferenced and about half seems like OR. I'm hesitant to start deleting things though because I'm not really sure where you draw the line for notability. I honestly think that the entire section could probably be cut out as long as mentions of actual adaptations of the novel are incorporated back into the article. Tegrenath (talk) 03:42, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Adaptations and derived works[edit]

I propose to completely remove the section "Adaptations and derived works", which is just a list of random things from here and there. The previous section "Cultural impact" already makes the work of describing in prose the cultural impact and adaptions, and the article Nineteen Eighty-Four in popular media seems a better place to expand the number of mentions (and even that article is better than this section). Cambalachero (talk) 16:24, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

You have my support. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 16:36, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Yep, I fully support this change as well. It's been an ugly chunk of what could be a really good article for too long. The popular media page is plenty sufficient as most of the list's contents are merely references, not derived works. The only thing I might reinstate are the works from the very first part, the actual full adaptations of the work. Tegrenath (talk) 20:44, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Giant plot[edit]

Isn't the plot info about 1984 incredibly long? We have SIX sections talking about the plot (from "background" to "The Newspeak appendix"), and 18 subsections in them. And even more, 29 articles for plot elements (see {{Nineteen Eighty-Four}}). I think that there should be a big clean up of this.

As an initial proposal, I think that Ministry of Love, Ministry of Peace, Ministry of Plenty, Ministry of Truth and Room 101 should be merged into a single article, Ministries of Nineteen Eighty-Four (as with the countries). Or should we simply nominate them for deletion? Cambalachero (talk) 16:10, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I agree that it's needlessly long and complex. I've made a first go at dramatically cutting down this section. Popcornduff (talk) 04:28, 9 December 2014 (UTC)