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DSi Browser[edit]

There needs to be more information on the DSi Browser.3-5 file (talk) 04:06, 24 January 2010 (UTC)(rct2guy (talk) 02:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC))

use ruwiki--Zimak (talk) 16:50, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Not all people speak Russian, so does anybody have an English translation? Keyboard mouse (talk) 04:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Internet Channel[edit]

I think we should mention the Internet Channel somewhere in this article. (rct2guy (talk) 02:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC))

First Sentence[edit]

The first sentence under "Launch" doesn't make any sense. Listen to this:

On February 15, 2006, the Opera Software company announced plans to develop a web browser for the Nintendo DS. Opera Company also worked to put Opera Web Browser onto Nintendo DS.

Don't those both say the same thing? (rct2guy (talk) 02:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC))

Which Boxart?[edit]

Which boxart should be shown on the top of the article?

Japanese box art

or jhknmkjmlplk;ul'kl;p[kjhoppftofthoklgjklhkljlkphjljhjpk North American box art

  • I think the second shows more of the actual "art" (the other seems cut off), and would be more relevant on the English Wikipedia due to it being the North American box art. - Kulshrax 20:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Exactly, the page should have the North American box art, there's a reason why vg pages use it. FMF|contact 12:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Modding Lite Cart?[edit]

If You Were to simply hack off the tab doohickey, would you be able to use it in an original DS?

  • No, because it is still too short. The lite cart is half the height of the original cart. Kulshrax 20:53, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes you can although you want to saw off some plastic on the front because it is too wide to completely fit. Also to take it out you need to wiggle it out with something like a paper clip. I've done this do to the difficultly of getting a memory pak for the original DS, though do to the possible risk of damaging your GBA slot I would not recommend trying this. ZerglingChamp (talk) 05:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

American Version Supports JavaScript and Flash[edit]

According to GameStop's page for the DS Browser (http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1&product%5Fid=802637), the North American English version will support both Flash and JavaScript, unlike the versions of other regions. Just thought I'd mention this here, since the article doesn't mention this. Someone might want to e-mail Nintendo's customer service and ask? Although that would be original research...still, it would help in identifying the article's veracity, at least to the editors of this article.

Erik 17:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Cool! I'm looking forward to the American DS browser release!


Yeah, I read that on a web page that had a person e-mail Opera concerning this, they replied with that answer. P.S. I didn't write "Cool! I'm looking forward to the American DS browser release!" (rct2guy 12:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC))


First this. Now this.

Who knows.

172.164.206.7 18:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, now that it's out, it's clear that the browser supports JavaScript but unfortunately not Flash. The main article already indicates this, but I thought that I'd put this here for ease of use to those looking for information on the talk page.

Erik 03:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

English Functionality[edit]

Can anyone from E3 confirm or deny if the (japanese)Browser will be english compatible or not. I've posted some reviews of people who've used it in english (obviousl), so one is not far off. I'd like some confirmation on this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Neozero497 (talkcontribs) 03:30, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I am a Japanese and bought the Japanese Browser today.
  • It can render English pages, of course.
  • It runs with Japanese user interface even if you choose any language other than Japanese in your DS's IPL settings.
  • It has a software keyboard fully localized for Japanese, English(US), English(UK), German, French, Italian and Spanish. You can choose any of the above keyboard layouts regardless of DS IPL settings.
--HoneyDonut 16:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
A fan translation was made to have English menus. It is available at http://www.freewebs.com/chuckstudios/english.lng —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.41.181.28 (talkcontribs) 19:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
As far as I know, there no way to actually use that. --Ssj4android 21:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Well then you don't know much, do you. You have to apply it to a ROM image. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.41.176.88 (talkcontribs) 23:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
You can't do anything with the ROM image, though. So it's pointless.--Ssj4android 01:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
How do you do that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tengoalyrunr30 (talkcontribs) 23:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
You need an adapter called M3 Perfect, a "PassMe", the ROM image, and software called "NDS Top System". Not really worth it just for the browser. BUT it's also great for homebrew like DSOrganize (PDA), MoonShell (media player), and DSlinux (Linux). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.41.176.88 (talkcontribs) 20:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

To add the "English.lng" file, you must extract the ROM using a program called NDSTool and then archive it again using it, containing the file. Then you have to load the ROM somehow onto a DS. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.166.202.27 (talkcontribs) 16:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

  • FYI, the European version includes both English (UK) and English (US) language options, defaulting to English (US). Worth an import if you don't feel like waiting. Sockatume 20:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The statement "Also, due to the limited storage space, most other dynamic media, such as videos or sound, will not work in the browser." is not exactly correct. The fact that "most other dynamic media, such as videos or sound, will not work in the browser" is not due to the limited storage space... it is due to the fact that it is not supported by the software. As worded, it suggests that the capability exists, but is being held back by the storage on the device.12.172.69.2 17:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Criticism[edit]

The criticism section seems to be somewhat non-NPOV. The reviewers aren't sure if PNG is supported? That's pretty trivial to check. While speed complaints are valid for criticism (though difficult to compare, if Opera is the only browser for the platform), the complaints about Flash, Java and movie support are not. Those functionalities are provided by plugins which Opera (as a company) doesn't make. In all, I would question the competency of the reviewers for the criticism part of this article. ... 199.126.26.140 01:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, IGN seems to be the only negative review. And when I read that thing about how it "possibly" supports the Portable Network Graphics format, I immediately dismissed the rest of the review. That is such a simple thing to check that it implies a real lack of reliability.
In fact, thinking this over, I'm removing the criticism part. It's unprofessional, poorly written on IGN's part, and very poorly edited on Wikipedia's part. El T 04:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

It's only a preview. They may not have had the time to check it it had PNG. Oh well, let's see what other sites will say about it. IGN is even accused of inflating their score, so other sites may have something even more negative to say. Frankyboy5 01:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

North American release?[edit]

Has Nintendo promised a North American release before January 1, 2102 (significance of date)? I seem to remember several games released in both Japan and Europe whose North American release was ultimately canceled, such as Kuru Kuru Kururin and Payback. --Damian Yerrick () 18:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo has released some english screenshots in their press kit. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 00:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
For all we know, those were from the U.K. version. Kuru Kuru Kururin and Payback both had a UK version but no North American version. --Damian Yerrick () 04:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
More than likely, we'll see it for christmas (surprised?) maybe earlier (thanksgiving / wii release anyone?)--Triconda 15:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
It's after Christmas 2006, and it's still not here. So are we looking at a 2102 release like Kuru Kuru Kururin and Payback? --Damian Yerrick () 03:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
The final release date for the DS version is June 4, 2007, and for the DS Lite version, its release date is June 6, 2007. --Gtxm78 03:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
6 months too late. FMF|contact 00:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Uh unless I am mistaken and I dont think that is possible because I just ordered one they have it in the US... and they have for at leas t a month...Bobonfirst 14:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

It's fun to see the grey imports going in the other direction accross the pond for once, normally it's we brits who have to import from the US ;) Plugwash (talk) 10:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Criticism section needs to go[edit]

  • Criticism moved

IGN has previewed the browser and criticized it for "not (being) a good surfing alternative", and it's just "more frustrating to use than it is fun and functional", and that "Yes, the Nintendo DS can now surf the internet. But after the novelty wears off, you probably won't want to." They also said that "the browser doesn't support a lot of Internet standards: no Flash, no movie files, no images other than .GIF and .JPG (and possibly .PNG), no Java". The browser was also criticized for being slow [1].


The IGN criticism is not worth keeping. Quite simply, a review that isn't even sure if the browser supports PNG - something incredibly easy to check - is not encyclopaedic enough to be reproduced in Wikipedia. And a single review does not warrant a whole section in Wikipedia.

I'd be interested to know on what basis others want to keep the section as it stands. El T 13:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm with removing the criticism section too. This is an encyclopedia, not a "what-I-think-about" magazine. It's up to the browser users to decide if its worthy. Moreover, it's a bit suspicious such a negative review. --FedericoMP 18:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I say remove it. It has no value what so ever. Create a list of links to various reviews or somethign instead. -Numbnumb 18:13, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it needs to be removed. Seriously, what would be the point of keeping it? It's really not suitable for the article, as stated by FedericoMP. Erik 01:21, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I vote on removing the criticism section. We seem to agree on this... why does it keep coming back? It should be removed. FiliusLunae 06:56, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it should stay but be reworded. The ds as a browser is very slow and does not support very much Independent1 21:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Criticism should stay or be suspended from appearing there. Stay - but it would need to be reworded. or Suspended - Just by currently reading it, one cannot tell how well it performs. However, this is just done by IGN, so we can keep that part here and then reword it once the Browser is available.
I would like to also note that virtually every game hardware/software related article have some sort of criticism section or a part dedicated to the faults of it. XBOX 360 has a whole article about its technical problems. FullMetal Falcon 00:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Browser Versions and User Strings?[edit]

Do the UK and Japanese versions have any differences, such as the user string or Opera version? I do own the Japanese version and the User string for it is:

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Nitro) Opera 8.50 [ja] What user string does the UK version of the browser have? OptimumCoder 05:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

How about asking when, or if, they release. FullMetal Falcon 21:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
But the UK version is out now. --Damian Yerrick () 22:26, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

This Picture[edit]

Should we have this picture in the article? thumb|Opera in Nintendo DS -dogman15 00:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

That picture is good, but it would be better if we could get one with Wikipedia being rendered. RaviC

  • As I don't have a DS emulator, these are the best I could do. They're a bit, err, functional. SSR Overview mode. I'll probably do a less-wonky shot of Overview sometime and if somebody who actually knows how to use Photoshop could do some colour correction I'd be grateful. How does the whole making-it-free-use thing work? Sockatume 19:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, a Wikipedia screenshot would be good. -dogman15 19:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Here ya go. MrD (not logged in) 80.44.161.198 19:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
How about this picture? [1] Not very good quality, but it's a true picture of the DS rendering Wikipedia. 12.18.218.230 (talk) 02:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

False Statement[edit]

"However, connecting with a game first allows the browser to be used for free."

It isn't even possible to swap cartridges while the DS is on. How can you swap them while you're connected to the web? This is obviously false. -- WiiVolve 05:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe they mean connecting to the the Internet, then, once your settings for connecting to the Internet are saved on your DS via that game, you can automatically connect to that access point via your DS Browser for free. --AlexJohnc3 (talk) 04:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Obsolete, but: you connect to the access point with any Wifi-compatible DS game. That DS is now authenticated with the access point, for an hour sor so. Then you can switch off the DS and load up the browser instead. 138.38.24.108 (talk) 09:58, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

A new critique section?[edit]

While although I'm typically loathed to include 'criticism' sections, I actually looked up the browser here in hopes of determining just how well it works (or doesn't). However, the ign review is entirely worthless.
Does anyone know of any better reviews of the browser that might be included? Something that might give a slightly more accurate explanation of how things like speed (compared to, say, the wii browser), support (no java, as in applets? or not even javascript?), images (png or not?), etc., fare? I can't be the only person who was hoping to find out this kind of info. Bladestorm 15:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Not about speed but you may read es:Nintendo DS Browser for included and absent features. --FedericoMP 18:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
  • blink blink*... I should probably get around to creating a user page for myself, so people would know I'm canadian, and thus not terribly likely to understand a word of spanish. :) But thanks anyways; it's still appreciated. Bladestorm 20:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
That's why they invented Google Language Tools and Babelfish ;). I would translate it but I'm not good at writing in English. FedericoMP 00:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Que?[edit]

What if you connect using your home internet connection? (router). Would it still cost money? Or is that just for specific networks? Thanks :-) Ilikefood 00:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I would imagine that most people who have a high-speed Internet connection at home will be browsing on a PC, not a DS. I tried Internet Channel (the same product as this, except for Wii), and it was painful to read several of the web sites that I tried. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 02:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I use the wii browser all the time. For things like reading threads in forum, it's vastly superior to a standard pc. (the wiimote is a smoother way to scroll and point than mice, scrollwheels, or even a laptop's touchpad) To answer Ilikefood's question (assuming I understand the question correctly): Other than purchasing the DS browser program (card), it wouldn't cost you any more than using your home internet connection. (That is, if there still exist in the world ISPs that charge by the minute, or by the megabyte, then you could, of course, rack up some charges that way. But for a "normal" connection, it wouldn't cost you any extra)
(And as for why someone would choose to use something like a slow ds browser over a normal home connection: the ds is very nice to use in bed before sleep, and can easily be set aside on a nightstand. It's somewhat harder to do that with a laptop.) Bladestorm 15:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. :-). Would Wikipedia work on the DS Browser? Ilikefood 02:22, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes. The first screenshot in this article is of another Wikipedia article displayed in Nintendo DS Browser. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 00:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
None of these really answered the question though...by won't be charged at nintendo spots only, do they mean that nintendo hotspots are the only ones they promise will be FREE, or does it mean you have to pay for NOT using them, say using your own wireless network or one at say, an airport? -69.247.164.232 08:25, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

America[edit]

When is this thing coming to america! they said it would be released back in june 2006! --TheGreenLink 18:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

It will happen on or before January 1, 2102, when the copyright expires. Do you plan on posting the same comment in Talk:Kuru Kuru Kururin? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 19:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

The only "pattern" I see is that it has been released every 3 months per region. So April? Only speculation, if it doesn't arrive this year, then forget it. FMF|contact 22:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

June 4, 2007, see the article for more information. --AlexJohnc3 (talk) 04:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Obviously announced right after my response. FMF|contact 00:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Also...[edit]

There are other browsers for the DS, including retawq and the alpha of the graphical Okiwi browser. Should there be some information about them? --RaviC 19:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Flash support?[edit]

Nintendo's own website is saying that the browser (presumably only the north american version) will support flash and javascript. I don't think mentioning javascript is essential to the article, but can you think of a good way to change the sentence, "All versions of the browser are incompatible with Flash and PDF, as well as Java."? It needs to convey the fact that all versions still won't support Java (referring to applets) or PDF's, that the european and japanese versions don't support flash, and that the north american version will support flash. Personally, I don't know if I can phrase it right. Anyone care to take a crack at it? (You can read the nintendo page about it here.) Bladestorm 20:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Where does it say the NA browser supports flash? --Toxicroak 23:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
*blink blink*
Holy crap... they actually removed it since I posted that. (You can still find a couple websites that link to that page on nintendo.com) I guess someone made a booboo on the page, confusing the ds opera browser with the wii opera browser...
Still, I would've liked it if someone here could've seen the same version I saw, so people wouldn't think I was friggin' insane! Bladestorm 23:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Ha! I can prove I'm not crazy! (so long as google cache lasts!) Here. :) (Of course, it doesn't really matter now, since they've obviously consciously removed that content from the page, implicitly indicating a lack of flash support, but at least now ya know I'm not completely bonkers!) :) Bladestorm 00:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
See also: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=185358&t=1180573842&page=2#comment2070579 --Alexc3 (talk) 01:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

So now that it's out, does it actually have Flash? This is not mentioned at all in the article. Some guy 22:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Nope, it doesn't have flash. --Toxicroak 22:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't. Here is the ref in the article that I used. [2]. It would've been great if it had it.... Deflagro 20:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Release date[edit]

The Release date was in fact june 4th in the USA, because amazon sold out thier 1st batch of preorders and shipped them on june 4th. Gamersedge 20:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

We know. - Gtxm78 21:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Well someone changed it a few times. Gamersedge 10:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Add "Criticism"[edit]

I beleve that there should be a Criticism section added to the Nintendo DS Browser page for obvious reasons. First, the DS can't load huge pages. Second, YouTube videos can't be viewed on the system itself. People, please think of more reasons as I can't think of anymore. Thank you for your time and I'll see you in....HELL!!! MudkipNDS 16:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC) Doctor Who rlz!

The lack of Flash and video support is already mentioned at the end of the 'functionality' section. If you've got a source for the inability to load huge pages, feel free to add it there. --McGeddon 16:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Memory Expansion Pak size[edit]

Are there sources for the Memory Expansion Pak having 10 Megabytes of RAM? According to most homebrew development sites (and various third-party devices such as the EZ-Flash 3-in-1 Expansion Pack) the capacity of the expansion memory is only 8 MB. Which, as a power of 2 (223 bytes) also makes more sense. A possible source of this might be DSLinux. It leaves about 2 MB of the on-board memory of the DS for applications, which totals to 10 MB if an 8 MB expansion is inserted. 87.123.52.95 21:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

The flash chip in the Memory Expansion Pak lists 0637 - EM64 EMP - Nintendo - JAPAN Note the 64. Maybe it means 64 megabit = 8 megabyte! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.168.32.24 (talk) 12:16, 4 April 2010 (UTC) Another source: http://dslinux.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/RunningDSLinux —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.168.32.24 (talk) 16:08, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Discontinued... is this true?[edit]

Hmm, according to 8 GameStops i've visited (In NJ), 4 Wal-Marts (Also in NJ), and a bunch of local game retailers (NYC Area), they're discontinued for U.S. Distribution. Is this true? --AOL Alex (talk) 02:59, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow, you're right: the Amazon product page for the lite edition states "Discontinued by manufacturer: Yes" and according to this the original was discontinued before that. We'll have to update the article. —Remember the dot (talk) 06:59, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, it looks like it's still available in Europe though, so it's hard to say exactly what's going on. —Remember the dot (talk) 07:02, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
So shouldn't we say that it is discontinued in the United States by Nintendo? -24.187.52.249 (talk) 14:01, 8

December 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions for Improvement[edit]

Well, I updated the status of an article from Stub class to Start class because there is much information on the article with refrences and stuff. However, I believe this article could use some improvement. We haven't mention the sales yet in the "reception" section yet (i.e. how many copies were sold in the first week, how many copies are sold as of February 2008, etc.) That is my suggestion. PrestonH 18:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, there is a good reason why I add the {{-}} template on the "Reception" section. All videogames have that (assuming they have a "reception" section), and it is used so the information won't cross in the "Reference" section. It is for formats sake. PrestonH 22:29, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

navigator.AppName?[edit]

Can someone go over to w3schools.com's browser detection dealie and tell me the appName for the DS Browser? The appName for the PSP is unique to the PSP, so I'm wondering if the nDS browser is the same. 66.168.19.135 (talk) 16:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

This is from the URL http://w3schools.com/js/tryit.asp?filename=try_dom_navigator using what I'm assuming is a US DS Lite and a US Nintendo DS Browser. I'm guessing from the window to the right saying document.write("Name=" + x.appName), that the appname is the name so Microsoft Internet Explorer.
CodeName=Mozilla
MinorVersion=
Name=Microsoft Internet Explorer
Version=4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Nitro)
CookieEnabled=true
CPUClass=undefined
OnLine=undefined
Platform=Nitro
UA=Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Nitro) Opera 8.50 [en]
BrowserLanguage=en
SystemLanguage=undefined
UserLanguage=en
—Preceding unsigned comment added by SilentChasm (talkcontribs) 18:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Why is it Microsoft Internet Explorer when it's Opera? 66.168.19.135 (talk) 14:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I think it may be for compatibility but that is what it said. The useragent does have Opera in it though. You might get someone else to check it with a different version just to make sure. SilentChasm (talk) 19:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Problems with the DSi Browser[edit]

I have tried to edit the article with the DSi Browser, but it didn't let me. It only allowed me to delete content. Keyboard mouse (talk) 04:48, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

RSS Feed Reader[edit]

I was messing around with the DSi Browser, when I found that it can read RSS feeds. As in, it organizes them into items and lets you view each one individually. Should this be noted in the article? (24.107.109.167 (talk) 03:11, 13 April 2010 (UTC))
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