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We have mentioned the 20th anniversary editions of Nevermind and In Utero, but we really should include a mention of both Live at the Paramount and Live and Loud being released as standalone DVD's. They are as significant as Unplugged or Live at Reading being released on DVD.QuintusPetillius (talk) 16:21, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Everman's name was on Bleach as a regular member. Yes, I know he didn't actually play on the recordings, but typically someone is considered a band member if their name is on the album. He wasn't listed as a "touring member", either. - Who is John Galt? ✉ 16:22, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Forgot to add Pat Smear as Current Member
- You can see previous discussions in the archives here. It wasn't forgotten.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 11:56, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
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Pat Smear was an official member, not just a touring one, by 1994. He was asked to join the band as a full member prior to the In Utero Tour (1993-1994). He did not record 'In Utero' with the band, but he did plan to record the next record with them. I think he needs to be included on the membership timeline, and his name switched from "Touring Members" to "Final Line-up." Thanks. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 22:03, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
- Smear joined as a touring member, not as an official in-the-band member. Whatever was intended for the future is academic, as it (obviously) never came to pass. Tarc (talk) 22:39, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I can certainly understand both sides. As a Pat fan, I would have loved to have seen him officially added prior the band's demise. Could a compromise be that he and Lori are added on the "Timeline" but still listed as touring members? - Hosh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 04:50, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Krist Novoselic thanked Lorde, Joan Jett, and others for playing with Nirvana on his Twitter. He called it Nirvana. https://twitter.com/KristNovoselic/status/454485425697341440
Also The Doors and Led Zeppelin list their Hall of Fame performances in the 'Reunion' subcategory, Nirvana not only played at the Hall of Fame but played a full length show as well. It definitely belongs in the 'Reunion' subcategory if The Doors and Led Zeppelin's one off reunions are listed. I'm not saying to alter the 1987-1994 timeline, but their needs to be a 'Reunion: 2014' under it. Regardless of if Nirvana performing without Kurt upsets you or not, it did happen.
- Then go fix the other articles if they are erroneous. "Nirvana" did not perform at the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame last week; Novoselic and Grohl performed Nirvana songs with guest leads, that is all. Tarc (talk) 02:56, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it was a reunion. Doesn't mean it'll happen again, but it was. I was there. It should say 1987-1994, (small text) 2014 reunion. Also, Pat played both shows, therefore he should have , 2014 next to his. Every article I've read says "Nirvana" played. Here's one: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/nirvana-reunite-kiss-remain-civil-at-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-20140411
And another: http://www.nme.com/news/nirvana/76724
It was a reunion: says Grohl. "We're family, no matter what. And we all love each other, no matter what. It's a lot bigger than a paragraph or a picture. It's real. So it was a reunion, and we were there for Kurt. It was a beautiful night. It was good."
- I'm not opposed to a paragraph or so noting that remaining members did reunite for a show, but I don't think a single show warrants a change to the "years active". Many actually considered the 12/12/12 show to be a reunion; but again it was merely an isolated event, with no enduring band members, ensuing tour, or album. — MusikAnimal talk 21:14, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Nirvana performed 2 times last week. They performed 4 songs on Thursday at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, and a full 19 song set at the St. Vitus club on Friday. Nirvana members Krist Novoselic and Dave Grohl have referred to these as Nirvana reunion performances in a new interview with Rolling Stone http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-inside-story-of-nirvanas-one-night-only-reunion-20140416. I propose that in small characters under, like on the Led Zeppelin/The Doors/Pink Floyd pages, we have a (Reunion: 2014) under the main 1987-1994 timeline, like those bands do. I wouldn't propose to change it to 2014-Present unless they announce more performances, but 2 shows definitely constitutes a reunion, especially with the band members referring to them as Nirvana reunion performances.
- I was not aware of the Saint Vitus performance, which is a real shame because I don't live far from there. 19 songs is certainly a proper concert, but it being with Joan Jett and Kim Gordon, it seems more like a novelty reunion than a true one. I guess it boils down to what you really consider a reunion to be. Let's see what others have to say. — MusikAnimal talk 22:07, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Alice In Chains first reunited in 2005 with several guest singers, and it is listed as an active year. I'm not even suggesting changing 1987-1994 yet to add 2014-Present, but to add a small text (Reunion: 2014) under the main timeline like you see for the one off Led Zeppelin and The Doors reunions on Wikipedia (which include guests performing in place of dead members, like Nirvana) is what would be very accurate. It doesn't really matter what anybody's opinion on the legitimacy of Nirvana performing without Cobain is, Nirvana members Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic explicitly called it a Nirvana reunion in the Rolling Stone piece I linked to. Quotes from the article:
"Hearing what it sounded like when we played 'Scentless Apprentice' legitimized it for me. I'd almost forgotten what it was like to be in a room full of Nirvana. That first day back really legitimized it. I was like, 'Oh, that's right! We sounded like this, and that's why people paid attention." -Dave Grohl
Another Grohl quote calling it Nirvana:
The original plan was to end the night with an all-star jam on AC/DC's "Highway To Hell," but the E Street Band went long on their speeches and the night had gone past curfew. "They expected Nirvana to learn that song," says Grohl. "It's hard enough for Nirvana to learn a fucking Nirvana song."
It's different from McCartney since they not only performed Nirvana material, but called it Nirvana. It's been one of the biggest stories in music in the last week.
I agree, a simple "small text" box that says "2014 Reunion" - Josh
- Special get-togethers does not mean that the band has reformed. That is what that field in the infobox means; when the band was actually ACTIVE. "2014" should never appear in the infobox at any place or anytime, if the basis is these brief performances by some surviving members. Tarc (talk) 03:13, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Tarc, the band did reform for two shows (with a different lineup obviously, like many bands in the past like Lynyrd Skynyrd have with dead members), and was referred to as Nirvana by the members of the band and by the media. I cited a source with the Rolling Stone article, which you haven't seemed to respond to. I can cite several more sources you can read as well. I cited a tweet by Nirvana bassist Krist Novoselic last week as well calling it Nirvana that you never responded to.
Many bands have one-off/two-off reunion performances with dead members, you referring to it as 'surviving' members is inaccurate because the members of the band themselves have called it Nirvana, and they dictate the use of the name and what they're called, not fans like you and me whether we like it or not. They even filmed the St. Vitus show, according to the Rolling Stone article. If you want me to refer to more articles discussing the two show reunion, I can pull them from every major website online. I've already provided you two quotes from mebers of Nirvana calling it Nirvana, and a Nirvana reunion by the most prominent music news outlet. Also according to countless Wikipedia pages, reunions like this go in a small text that in this case would say 'Reunion: 2014' under the main band timeline. See The Doors, Led Zeppelin, and countless other major band pages as well for examples of how short lived reunions are handled, and these are also performances with deceased members (John Bonham and Jim Morrison were both dead for all reunion performances for their respective bands). BWRBrett (talk) 07:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- I really don't care how badly the classic rock fanboys maintain those articles. There was no Nirvana reunion. Period. It can certainly be mentioned in the body of text, but in terms of determining when a ban is literally "active", performing with others at a award show does not flip a defunct band to active, sorry. Tarc (talk) 12:32, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Who is Tarc and what gives him the authority to undermind Krist and Dave? I'm sorry Nirvana reunited for 2 shows and you didn't approve, but it happened and should be listed as such. No one is saying "2014-Present" just a one-off reunion, like Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin and The Doors, but I guess you know way better than the people who monitor those pages. Oh well, I was there and it happened and I don't need Tarc to tell me it didn't happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk)
- I am Tarc and Tarc is me, goo goo g'joob. What you saw was nice and certainly entertaining, but your confusion lies in English word (mis)usage and headline writer's sensationalism. Yes, they reunited in the sense that they were together again on-stage, no one denies that. But "Nirvana" did not come out of hiatus last week; being defunct and disbanded is not a state of being that flicks on and off, in and out, like a light-switch. If other band bios in this project are doing this, then those editors are being idiotic and overly self-indulgent that "OMG the band is back together!!!" Getting together and playing again is a nice reunion, but the usage of the word does not indicate a change in the ban's active/disbanded status. Tarc (talk) 16:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, thank you for that. So, even by your rationale it was a "reunion" of which we are asking "small print" Reunion: 2014. Seems like you just settled this. One-off reunion is still a one-off reunion. They came out of hiatis for one night, 2 shows and are now defunct again. What gives you more authority that the "idiotic" editors of those pages? There seem to be more of them than you. Perhaps you are the one being idiotic and ignoring facts to shape the page the way you would like the band remembered.
I don't mean to sound attacking, I apologize for that. Obviously this is a group that many people are passionate about. Would a "Partial Reunion: 2014" small text be an appropriate compromise? - Josh
- That's misconstruing what I said then, as I am not in support of any infobox addition. A one or two-night reunion shouldn't imply a change in active status. What if they come back every year for a benefit concert, so we will do "1987–1994, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017" ? It'd look ridiculous. An infobox is a summary, an at-a-glance aid for the reader to get some basic info before diving into the bulk of the text. If we wish to convey the information to the reader that they has a one-night-stand in 2014, there's simply better ways to accomplish that than a misleading "Reunion 2014" tag. Tarc (talk) 17:42, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
It might look ridiculous to you, but it seems informative to me. Here's Led Zeppelin's who reformed for one-off events: Background information Origin London, England Genres Hard rock, heavy metal, blues rock, folk rock Years active 1968–80 (reunions: 1985, 1988, 1995, 2007) Labels Atlantic, Swan Song Associated acts Band of Joy, the Honeydrippers, Page and Plant Website ledzeppelin.com
Looks fine to me. -Josh