Talk:Nissan 300ZX

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Introduction too long and messy[edit]

The introduction of this article has too much information in it and stuff that really should be sorted under other sections. Why are the powers and specs listed in a big mess there rather than under the models further down the page? specifically the Z32 part has all this trivial information but no stats.

Chris.

Z32[edit]

in 1990, the Z32s front nose panel was made with no nissan emblem. in 1991 they first incorperated the emblem. in 91 the driver airbag was an option. in 92 the driver airbag came standard, with the option of a passenger airbag. in 94 the taller wing was put on the car, and the HICAS was changed from hydrolic to electic. thats as much as i know.

Reply - The Z32 centre nose panel came out with 3 different versions. The Z logo was put on JDM and Asia Pacific exports. The Nissan hamburger logo was on European versions. And the blank panel was for the US market. ZCarJase 05:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

-The US 1990 Model year 300zx was the only year to have the "blank" nose panel. All 1991+ Model year US 300zx's had the "hamburger." Additionally the "JDM" emblem was availible with two background colors, red, and grey, from nissan. Though I have only seen the "grey" background on the factory installed emblems.

Production numbers/Commemorative Edition[edit]

While the Twinturbo.net production differences remains a bible of the community it was gathered from incorrect or partially incorrect information that continues to be spread. The Nissan FAST vin database gives correct production numbers. The production numbers from nissan can be seen here: http://www.az-zbum.com/information.production.shtml

Think the Production numbers currently shown need to be updated to the correct figures from the Nissan Vin Database, not what motortrend reported over a decade ago.

Additionally I am not sure of where the appropriate place is to include information on the "commemorative edition 300." Should that information be included in the opening paragraph where it is already mentioned? Or should the details be put further down in the z32 section? Should a picture of the numbered plaque be included in the page for identification? Additionally I think we should include the vin information about the numbered 300, to that end it is as follows: The last 6 Digits of the vin are the "serial" number for the car. An example of this vin number would be: JN1CZ24D7TX960300. The last 6 digits represent the serial number, for the case of the commemorative Zs, the first 2 are "96" indictating that it is the commemorative edition. The last four digits represent which number it is, eg "0001" would represent "1 of 300" and "0300" would represent "300 of 300." At the same time Nissan put this plaque on these few cars Nissan also included a nearly identicle plaque on the factory restored 240Z's, as well as sold a very few "blank" plaques that were not etched with a number or engraved like the plaques on the factory restored 240Zs.

I would appreciate any comments on locating the Commemorative information, discussion on including a picture of the plaque, and verbage describing or identifying the Commemorative editions, as well as if it is appropriate to include such trivial knowledge as to the few other Cases of the bronze plaque out there.Zluster 22:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

200ZR, 300ZR additions to Z31...[edit]

The Z31 Chassis also consisted of the 200ZR and 300ZR models only made in Japan. They were both inline 6 versions of the Z31. These should be added, and when I get more time I will try to.--ДрakюлaTalk 15:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)



Please note that the 300ZR had a v6.


—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.149.247.50 (talk) 21:07, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Z32 Production Differences[edit]

I added production differences as well as corrected some exaggerated technical details in the main Z32 article. Some anonymous user maliciously rolled back the changes with no explanation other than "vandalism" - which is simply untrue. The differences are well known and the changes made were cited.--TheOtherWhiteMeat 02:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed reference to 1995 "gold paint" - there is no anniversary color, nor is it sited in the factory 1995 brochure. Nissan Dealerships often 'create' special edition vehicles in order to move them, but these are not factory modifications.

--64.236.208.26 15:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)aclater

Z32 SMZ Specifications[edit]

The SMZ was only available in 1995 as a 25th anniversary of the Z the specifications are as follows (taken from http://www.yugobernie.com/images/Misc/SMZ_specs.jpg


Suspension[edit]

Progressive Rate Front and Rear Coil Springs
  Front: 32-44 newtons/mm variable rate; 3/4" lowered
  Rear: 25-35 newtons/mm variable rate; 3/4" lowered
Stillen Sway Bars
  Front: 2-way Adjustable / 28mm in diameter; Urethane Pivot Bushings
  Rear: 3-Way Adjustable / 21mm in diameter; Urethane Pivot Bushings
Special Yokohama AVS Performance Alloy Wheels 17' x 9' Front, 18' x 9.5' Rear
Special Yokohama Motor Sports Z-Rated Tires
 255 /40 ZX 17 Front
 265 /35 ZR 18 Rear

Performance Enhancement[edit]

Skyline Group N / GT-R Brakes (r33?)
Cross Drilled and Axially Vented Rotors; Larger Calipers and Pistons; Upgraded HI-Metal Brake Pads F&R
High Flow Intake Filter System (AKA Pop Charger)
Aluminized Steel Free Flow Exhaust System
Turbocharger Boost Pressure Increase (365bhp)
Exclusive Energy Management System utilizing Powerbeat Battery

Aerodynamics[edit]

Stillen Rear Deck Wing
Stillen Urethane front Spoiler
Stillen Urethane Rear Valance Panel
Stillen Urethane Side Skirts
Stillen Urethane Door Fillers
Stillen Louvered Front Nose Panel

Styling / Interior[edit]

Carbon Fiber Interior Door Trim
Carbon Fiber Dashboard Centerpiece
Carbon Fiber Anatomic Shift Knob
Magnesium Aluminum Drilled Pedal Pads
SMZ Windshield Graphic
SMZ Front and Rear Emblems
Serialized Console Plaque
Serialized Engine Compartment ID
Steve Millen Design Embroidered Console Box
SMZ-Embroidered Jacket


64.236.128.14 20:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)aclater

SMZ[edit]

Dan - As a reference article, this should be a source of information on any special edition models made either by nissan, or in partnership with nissan. I can assure you that my posting of the SMZ specifications had NOTHING to do with being an advertisment for nissan, but was an attempt to clear up incorrect information already on this page and further provide details of what was available. As such, I am restoring my edits.

Image:1986 Nissan 300ZX.jpg[edit]

Image: 1986 Nissan 300ZX.jpg Sorry, but the car is butt ugly, please don't put a 2+2 Z on there...

Do you have a guideline that says that GNU Free Documentation License images can not be used in the namespace? --WikiCats 01:05, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

It has been over a week since I requested that you justify the deletion of this image with support by the guidelines. Under the guidelines images provided by editors of Wikipedia are allowed inclusion in Wikipedia. It is a contravention of the guidelines to assert that such contributions are ineligible. My objective was to produce an image that matched the quality of Image:Nissan-300ZX.jpg. I had the car detailed and photographed at several locations. It had to be taken a the right time of day for the best light. The image was then Photoshopped, then uploaded. It represents several hours work. --WikiCats 23:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The stock image is fine. You changed it, imposing your widespread of self-promotion on Wikipedia with your photos. Leave the damn image alone. Thanks.


Thank you. You need to provide a guideline that prevents images provided by editors of Wikipedia from being allowed inclusion in Wikipedia. Many editors provide images to the encyclopedia. Updating contributions to Wikipedia is common practice. When you get more experience you will understand how debate works. --WikiCats 13:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The above image referenced is substandard as compared to the nissan stock photo. 72.66.63.132 Adam

Just my 2c from a photographer's point of view: The image shown here is pretty poor compared to the stock image (composition, lighting, angle, distracting background, pole etc.). Unless there is a problem with the stock image (copyright, fair use or other licensing issues) then that image should stay. If it does have problems and this image has to be used, it needs to be Photoshopped to blank the distracting background (I think the car would look good against a plain black "canvas").Zunaid 09:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Pop culture/movies/games[edit]

These days every car game includes almost all modern and classic sports cars. The addition of this info thus does not "add value" to the reader's experience of the article, it is more a reflection of the game/movie than of the car itself. The mere fact that a car appeared in such and such a game/movie is not notable in and of itself. WP:TRIVIA gives clear guidance on this and suggests such info be removed. The mere fact that other car articles have them does not mean that this one should too, in fact they should all be removed. Zunaid (TC) Please rate me at Editor Review! 16:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Split proposal[edit]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was dont split --Arnzy (talk contribs) 05:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I think this page should be split into two, one is Nissan Z31 and Nissan Z32 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Willirennen (talkcontribs)

Oppose There isn't enough information at the moment to justify separating the Z31 and Z32. I also think separating it would create confusion. I would assume most people don't refer to them by Z31 or Z32. They just refer to them both as 300ZX (and specify the year). So I am against this. Different generations of cars don't require different articles. Take a look at any automobile article and very little of them have separate articles for each generation (example Toyota Supra, Ford Taurus, Toyota Corolla). ren0talk 05:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Oppose There is not enough text to justify a split. This just seems like two generations fo the same car, which should be featured in the same article. Regards, SignaturebrendelHAPPY HOLIDAYS 06:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Oppose What I'd like to see is a stricter following of the Wikiproject convention that follows the home market name, but I think a combined Nissan Fairlady article would be too big. Therefore, I'd suggest

  1. Making Nissan Fairlady a disambiguation page to all the individual Z-car articles (and have Datsun Fairlady redirect to it), and...
  2. ...getting some of the crap out of the Nissan 300ZX article, which at 15.6k isn't long enough to justify splitting even if it was a paragon of writing. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Looking through the "Z32 production model differences" section there's a lot of really trivial stuff in there which is better suited to an anally retentive enthusiasts' website than an encyclopedia; "Air conditioner evaporator valve changed from aluminum to steel to quiet it"; "keyhole on driver's door and interior light illuminated when driver's door handle is pulled"; "reset' button removed from dash clock"?!? I also suspect that virtually every reference in the "In popular media" section wouldn't meet our criteria for notability if we cross-checked against IMCDb.org. --DeLarge 12:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Oppose aswell, I don't think the article is long enough to be split. James086Talk | Contribs 03:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Oppose. - This page is much too small to be split up, especially after I went through it. --ApolloBoy 22:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

In Favor - Separate pages should be written for both the Z31 and Z32 with a short summary of each vehicle for the 300zx page.--Homestar300zx 08:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Oppose The page is too short to justify splitting. These are essentially two revisions of the same car. We don't split Mazda MX-5 nor Nissan Skyline GT-R (although paradoxically we do split BMW 3-series into BMW E90, BMW E46 etc.). In this case the article length and level of detail on each model wouldn't be enough to sustain separate articles. Something to consider might be the "Featured Article test" i.e. which stands a better chance of making featured status, this article in one place or one of the two separate articles that would result? Strongly agree with DeLarge, this article should be culled of "trivial" details. Zunaid©Please rate me at Editor Review! 08:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

FR?[edit]

All 300ZX's were rear wheel drive. Since there is no decent photo of a Z31 (2+2's are butt ugly!), here is one of my 1987 300ZX Turbo.(Z31) In fact, all Z31's and Z32's were rear wheel drive.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/SloppyGoat/DSC01594.jpg?t=1241883721

I believe there should be a separate Z31 and Z32 category. They are two very different cars. I've never edited a wikipedia page, so I'm not sure if I'm doing this correctly. If not, feel free to correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SloppyGoat (talkcontribs) 16:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

The page states the 300ZX/Z31 is FR, front engine, rear-wheel drive. Can someone verify this? I've got a 300ZX/Z31 and I can pretty much guarantee it's FF (front engine, front wheel drive). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stadsport (talkcontribs) 09:16, December 30, 2006.

I'd be absolutely fascinated to discover how you're going to guarantee that... --DeLarge 14:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Trust me, my z31 has broken loose, equal parts rain and play, more than enough for me to know that it is rear drive. Here's a few simple tests that you can do to check on my claim, 1. Find a back road and do a burnout (This is dangerous and illegal in most places, so don't cry to me when you lose your only ride.), simple enough, where the smoke is coming from is your driving tires, 2. Crawl under the car and look for the drive shaft, if you see a thick metal cylinder in the middle of the car's under belly, it's rear drive, 3. Ask around on Z car boards. Kidcorona 08:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
There's no question that the Z31 is a RWD car-just look at the driveshaft, like the previous post shows. Also, the prescence of the ridge between the seats is an extremely strong interior indicator of RWD/AWD vehicles, because it is installed to provide a more straight-through passage of the driveshaft. FWD Cars generally don't-for example, my little sister has a 2000 Eclipse GT (a F-F car), and it has no between-seat ridge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.172.60.64 (talk) 11:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Citation improvements[edit]

Now that the Z31/Z32 split debate is concluded, I would like to begin working on improving the citation of references/sources for the article. I recommend we use footnotes and add a section for them in the main article. I have access to a 1991 Nissan Service Manual in print and online and will start verifying the article's information and posting results here. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. -- AManangan 07:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


Followup to merge proposal[edit]

Now, with this current (as of 28th Feb) edit which deleted any reference to the 2 liter models, as this is very ridiculous to ignore the 2 liter models, considering I am more interested in the 200ZR ZR-1. This is why I had to do a bit of revert edit, whilst retaining most of the current edits.

A few things to answer, which has now been edited

  1. Japanese people still call the 300ZX as Fairlady Z
  2. The 300ZX did not win Le Mans as that edit made out to be, it was controversially won by a Dauer 962, a converted Porsche racer which was banned afterward.
  3. Class wins: Even Mr Cunningham himself, prefers the overall win at Daytona to Le Mans, as this was the word of his. I spoke to him at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in 2002 when he was prepping a Lola Can-Am car there

but sorry to say this, this is now why I support this being split if any reference to 2 liter models are getting deleted. Willirennen 19:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

---

My apologies for the delete of the 2 liter models--I did not understand that they were Z31 variants with a different displacement engine. It was not explained before mentioning them in the article exactly how they are related to Z31s, and if they are, please add to the article stating so.

Could you add the information about the Dauer 962 controversy to the article as well along with a source?

Do you have any written, verifiable evidence about what Mr. Cunningham said to you? Perhaps a website source? If so then could you add that to the article as well?

We need to make sure all information we place in the article has a citation or source we can double-check. Thank you again for clarifying those points.

AManangan 06:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Just added that one about the Dauer 962 bit as requested, trouble is I'm not sure how long that bit is going to stay as it doesn't talk about the Z32 itself and the one about Mr Cunningham, the only thing I got is a video tape, thats if I can find it in the house, I know he still operates a workshop in El Segundo, California and not sure if I can print the address here as I have the business card. Willirennen 11:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The bit about the RB20 engine[edit]

Just seen AManangan's edit and I would like to ask, is it true that, though the cooler is mounted differently, the horsepower was restricted to not to upset Skyline GTS-R sales as they both had the same engine, but the latter with more horsepower? Willirennen 23:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Very interesting. I don't know. I'll try to do some research on it and update in Talk. AManangan 19:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Fixed number of years it was on car and drivers 10 best. It's 7 not 6. 90=1, 91=2, 92=3, 93=4, 94=5, 95=6, 96=7

Throughout its life...[edit]

Quoting "Throughout its life, the 300ZX has been praised by critics", I need to say that this wasn't the case for the Z31 in the UK as according to numerous people I know from the Z Club, they were unfairly slated by the anti-Japanese car press, largely as the review cars were all NA auto models, also journalists expected that the 300ZX to be in the shadow of the 240Z when demands for GTs were far more greater than the sports car market in the 1980s. Though I'm not really the best to explain that, the best person to explain would be somebody in the UK who knows a thing or two about them. Willirennen 23:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Image of 1990 300ZX Engine NA[edit]

I have a photo of my 1990 300ZX engine if anyone would like to post to main site. Thanks

1990 300ZX Engine NA

Peterwolfs 01:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Z Encyclopedia[edit]

Hi, I'm trying to gather information for a Z specific wiki called [1], if you contributed to this article would you mind doing the same over there please? Hoping to grow it into a usual reference for all Zs. Thanks.

86.134.46.248 19:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

12 Hours of Sebring win[edit]

I was just watching the 12 Hours of Sebring, and they noted that this year is only the third time a car not in the "top" or "premier" category won the race. They listed the other two cars to do so, and the Nissan 300ZX was in the group. However, I don't see mention of that in this article. Maybe I missed it, but if it's really not here, it would be a nice fact to add. Gentgeen (talk) 02:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

They won the 24 Hours of Daytona in a similar fashion. The359 (talk) 02:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Wording[edit]

I read this article and see references to dollars. Which nation's? 115.64.159.41 (talk) 13:03, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect Z31 Retards[edit]

Every time I look at this page something on it changes to INACCURATE information about the Z31. Stop editing it and leave it how it is you retards. The real Z31 people don't care what you retards THINK is right, we KNOW what is right when it comes to Z31s, stop putting incorrect info on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.135.198.154 (talk) 23:17, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

The Z31 was introduced in the U.S. in 1983 - but as a 1984 model. The article is misleading/inaccurate as written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.112.4.83 (talk) 14:54, 25 November 2013 (UTC)