Talk:Nizam of Hyderabad
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- 1 Opening heading
- 2 Successor and Ancestor State Issue
- 3 Nizam - broader meaning beyond Indian history?
- 4 Cleanup
- 5 Edit war, re Nizams in Australia
- 6 Fair use rationale for Image:Nizam.jpg
- 7 Requested move
- 8 Nizam.jpg
- 9 Proposal to remove scripts
- 10 Edit request from , 11 October 2011
- 11 File:Sikandar Jah Nizam III.jpg Nominated for Deletion
Successor and Ancestor State Issue
The flag of the successor state and the link to the successor state is incorrect. India had turned into a Commonwealth Realm as the Union of India in 1947. Since the police action occured in 1948, the successsor state is the Union of India which later became the Republic of India. Thus the Successor of the Nizam is the Government of India, the head of which is the Prime Minister of India and the head of state is the President of India. I am changing the flag and the link. Will require discussion if as a Head of State, the successor is the President of India. The Nizam of Hyderabad was effectively the Head of Government as well even though he had a nominal prime minister. So I propose that the successor be combined as the Government of India. Also the 'ancestor state' is the Mughal Empire, more specifically the Emperor of the Mughal Empire. I am adding the link to the list of Mughal emperors as the previous head of state. Further the template list of this article refers to the nizam as country. Can we use a template similar to other monarchies like the British Monarchy
Nizam - broader meaning beyond Indian history?
The history if seen from the victors side can never be factual. Indian governement has totally misrepresented history of Hyderabad and the Nizam in particular. It does not highlight the excellent governance with total peace and harmony it provided. A true history on Hyderabad is very difficult to get because of the controls the government has on information creation, dissipation and management. Thank God internet is there so some truth at least can come out.
Had internet been there 50 years back when the players and subjects were still alive the true picture would have come out. Now the people who knew facts are dead and gone. Now the victor writes history whent that happpens it is fiction authored by the victor. -—Preceding unsigned comment added by Aftab Kiran (talk • contribs)
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I think that it is misleading to have an article on "Nizam" refer only to a very specific meaning of that word within South Asian history. "Nizam" has several meanings in Arabic (revolving around order) and it stands in a complicated historical context that extends to Persian, Ottoman, and other Near Eastern histories.
Could someone please disambiguate the current Indian history Nizam page in order to open space for more specific articles on the concept of "Nizam"?
- It is very easy to do the disambiguation yourself. Just create a new page, say Nizam (Persia) to refer to a persian context and then we can try to accomodate information about it on that page and so on. Idleguy 16:58, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
It is a fact that power allows you to create/make/write history. Be it Alexander in Europe, Moghuls in India or for that matter the recent case of US intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan. Never did the perspective of two warring groups match.
In order to achieve common good, some facts have to laid to rest and left inaccessible to general public. We dont talk about the atrocities of Zamindars and Jagirdars who worked directly under the rule of Nizams. We dont talk about the forceful conversions either. We dont talk about the poison given in small dozes, so lets lay the devil of big doze also to rest.
Instead of thinking about what went wrong in the past and worrying about how the facts are being mis-interpreted, we should move towards the attitude of overall and trans-community development. Shakeup people and make them work towards single goal of self upliftment.
If we still try to rue and argue about what is past, our fate will also be same of those Hyderabadi Nawwabs who did not let go of their oppulency and ended up on streets.
Avinash Dyagala Jan 26 2007. (Born in Hyderabad and lived there for 23 years)
I have performed article and removed the tags. It seems to me that the article is pretty fair as regards NPOV. I do and perhaps something on their extraordinary wealth. -- TinaSparkle 22:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Edit war, re Nizams in Australia
Can the anonymous user who keeps adding a frivolous paragraph about the "nizam" living today in Australia please desist? Your efforts would be welcome were they relevant and properly referenced, but they are currently written in an unencyclopedic style, and lack reliable sources. Please consider registering or at least have a look at the Five Pillars. Thank you! -- TinaSparkle 11:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:Nizam.jpg
Image:Nizam.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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The section on Operation Polo is obviously biased. The phrase 'to see reason' needs to go straight out the door, and this portion can hardly be considered fully accurate unless mention is made of the death, destruction, and violence wrought by the Operation. Data for this can easily be found and cited from Hyderabad After the Fall, in the section that presents the findings of the National Commission charged with looking into the operation, conducted by Qazi Abdul Ghaffar.
Dear Author of the Wikipedia Article Named "Nizam of Hyderabad",
Just by pure chance, I came across your article, and there is something about it that I must tell you. There is a picture called "Nizam.jpg" in your article, with the address "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nizam.jpg". I must inform you that it is a picture of Nizam al-Saltaneh Mafi, the Prime Minister-in-Exile of Iran, during WWI, accompanied by his cabinet; and has absolutely nothing to do with Nizam of Hyderabad, or with India, for that matter. -- Timelesstune (talk) 12:50, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Proposal to remove scripts
Hashmat Jah, Nawab Mir Hashmat ‘Ali Khan Bahadur [Prince Hashmat Jah].
- a) Sahibzada Mir Hassan ‘Ali Khan [Temoin Bahadur]. b. at King Kothi Palace, Hyderabad, 1939.
b) Sahibzada Mir Husain ‘Ali Khan. b. at King Kothi Palace, Hyderabad, 1942. c) Sahibzada Mir Atau’llah Khan [Nawab Atau’llah Khan]. b. at King Kothi Palace, Hyderabad, 1953. d) Sahibzada Mir Habib Khan. b. at Hyderabad, 1955. e) Sahibzada Mir Rahmat ‘Ali Khan. b. at King Kothi Palace, Hyderabad, 1963 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbasdude (talk • contribs) 13:55, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Edit request from , 11 October 2011
- Sahibzada Mir Azmath 'Ali Khan (1944-). Son of Nawab Mir Husain 'Ali Khan Bahadur (1923-1987), the second son of Sahibzada Mir Habib 'Ali Khan Bahadur.
- Sahibzada Mir Himayath 'Ali Khan (1985-). Eldest son of Sahibzada Mir Azmath 'Ali Khan.
- Sahibzada Mir Azam 'Ali Khan (1989-). Second son of Sahibzada Mir Azmath 'Ali Khan.
- Sahibzada Mir Maqsood 'Ali Khan (2001-). Third son of Sahibzada Mir Azmath 'Ali Khan.
- I do not understand what should be changed; This template may only be used when followed by a specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it. "Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y".. In addition, you have not supplied references. 00:33, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
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