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Lack of Citations or References for Information Presented
There is a very large lack of citable factual information presented. I believe any information that cannot be cited should be removed. Otherwise, it is difficult to trust what is presented - especially if it sounds biased.
I edited out the articls on each of the Agha Khans as I believe they create an overly long article, but kept Aga Khan IV, I would like to add more about the contribution of the previous Aga Khans so i created "Aga Khans" in the history section and made a brief start, I have also added more to that section on Ghadir I khum, and Imami shia, the split between Imami twelver and Imami Isma'ili. (Water Stirs (talk) 18:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC))
- Wonderful. Make sure you put updates on the bottom of this page, and not the top. I primarily edit the Ismaili article and Template:Ismailism, so coordinate anything you would like by clicking on my name and adding your ideas to my talk page. --Enzuru 19:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I created articles on Imam Jafar Al-Saddiq's theology, expanded on the schism, and also added expanded *the Fatimid, and created an Alamut article and expanded on the Agha Khans...I finished off adding an **edited line of recognised Imams. --Water Stirs 16:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
The list of the Agha Khans formed the proto-history section of the article, I felt that the page required a history beyond that of merely the recent Aga Khans, since creating that section and adding to it sporadically, along with two other section "philosophy" and Community", I decided to move the long histories of the previous Aga Khans to their relevant pages, and kept the current Imam on this one. But it now seems it is worth discussing if his section should move elsewhere on the page.
- As I stated on your talk page, everything seems perfect. My suggestion is to move the Aga Khan IV portion after history and rename it "Contemporary times" or something similiar to that. --Enzuru 06:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I deleted two sentences:
- The first statement re Fatimid Caliphate is simply incorrect - the Nizaris split from the Fatimids in 1094-5, but the Fatimid Caliphate continued for another 100 years (see Hafizis). Although the Hafizi's are extinct, the Mustaalis followed more Fatimid Caliphs than the Nizaris
- Re Hassan-i Sabbah and Alamut, whilst that is perhaps correct, I'm not sure what is means to be a "spiritual decendent" of the Hashshashin. If we want to mention them in the lead, we should just state that when the Nizari-Mustaali split occurred in 1095, the Ismailis at Alamut chose the Nizari path and the early propagation of the Nizarī doctrine was headquartered at Alamut under Hassan-i Sabbah
2) Their history includes the establishment of two states governed by their Imams, including the first Shia Empire, the Fatimid Empire, a considerable feat considering they are small minority of the Shia, who are in turn a minority within Islam, and the Nizari Ismaili state of Alamut.
- Neither of these are true
- The Fatimid State was never Nizari
- The State of Alamut was founded in 1088, seven years before the creation of the Nizari sect. So Nizaris did not "establish" Alamut.