Talk:Noe Valley, San Francisco

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No dots over the e, and pronunciation[edit]

I have lived in Noe Valley for 25 years, and I have never seen anyone spell it with two dots over the e. It is pronounced to rhyme with Joey. 63.195.113.57 (talk) 21:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Bill Choisser

Gentrification in Noe Valley[edit]

Contrary to what some have written here, genetrification did not begin in Noe Valley during the dot-com boom of the 1990s. Gentrification began in the mid-1970s, when middle-class hippies began replacing the blue-collar Irish and Latino population that had been living in Noe Valley.

Noe Valley a Gay Village?[edit]

I removed Noe Valley from the Gay Village list. Plenty of gays live in Noe Valley, but that doesn't make Noe Valley a gay village. Griot 23:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Pierre Valley[edit]

What's this about Church Street south of 24th being called Pierre Valley? I took this out. Unless someone can cite a source for this, I don't think it belongs. I've near heard it called that. Griot 21:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Now it just says "the area south of Church Street," which makes no sense. Church Street runs north-south. —75.46.78.198 (talk) 05:53, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Last paragraph of "History" section.[edit]

I've removed the some 0examples from the paragraph regarding businesses, the '70s and gentrification because they did not seem particularly notable and were, I felt, making the paragraph difficult to read. If anyone feels I have removed an important piece of information, please re-add it, preferably along with some explanation of its importance.

In the 1970s, many small businesses contributed to the image and perception of Noe Valley. A combination of old, traditional businesses and enlightened new entrepreneurs helped to build the reputation of Noe Valley as a hip and enlightened neighborhood. For example John DeCock, an environmental activist and local musician who went on to become Executive Director of The Sierra Club Foundation and Chief Executive Officer of Clean Water Action, began his professional career as the proprieter of a small record store, Silver Crescent Records, Noe Valley's first record store in 1975. As rents increased, many of these small entrepreneurial businesses, such as Cathexis, Color Crane, East of the Sun, the plant store run by Ron Green and cobblers and barber shops were casualties of gentrification and development. Surviving this transition in the neighborhood is a barber shop, Of Barbers and Bears, run by Stephanie Holstein and her father, who have served Noe Valley in various locations since the early 1870s. Ms. Holstein is skilled at doll-making and using old furs to make teddy bears; and as such, carries on the entrepreneurial spirit of the neighborhood.

Trilink (talk) 23:01, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Blog link[edit]

Taking a quick peek at the history, I see that the http://noevalleysf.blogspot.com link has been added several times and removed by a bot. As a local resident and feed subscriber I can vouch for the relevance and non-crapness of the link. :) If it's removed again, please explain why rather than summarily reverting with a bot. Thanks! --brion (talk) 17:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:ELNO, rule #11.--ABIJXY (talk) 05:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

External links from Blogspot[edit]

Numerous blogspot links have been attempted to be added to this page. I urge anyone to read Links normally to be avoided prior to adding it in.

In particular, a blog with the URL "noevalleysf.blogspot.com" has been added and removed several times. Per WP:ELNO, the standard for whetehr to include this blog is whether it is written by a recognized authority or not. Per the noevalleysf blog itself:[1]

Simply put: yes, we are anonymous. We are not journalists, but rather residents of Noe Valley who care about keeping the neighborhood informed.

I do not think anonymous writers who describe themselves simply as residents who care about the neighborhood are anywhere close to qualifying as recognized authorities. Thus, the blog they write does not pass the standard for being included as an external link.--ABIJXY (talk) 18:02, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

It's also interesting that the first time this particular blog was added to the Wikipedia page was on 11 Sep 2008 [2] by IP editor 70.231.229.99, and the blog's first entry ever was just ten days prior, on 1 Sep 2008. {link).--ABIJXY (talk) 19:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

History section image[edit]

Horner Land Sale auction advertisement, Noe Valley 6 April 1854 DailyAltaCalifornia

The image formatting of the article needs some attention. I propose that this 1854 image, which documents the initial plot plan and street layout of Noe Valley should go into the history section. SaltyBoatr get wet 20:22, 26 August 2011 (UTC)