Talk:Nonpartisan blanket primary

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Merger[edit]

This article absolutely needs to be merged, but not with blanket primary, which is a completely different thing. The key difference is that in a blanket primary, a voter must choose among candidates from the same party for a single office, though they can choose different parties for different offices. In a jungle primary, however, all parties' candidates for each office are listed together. Not the same at all, despite the "also known as", which should have been removed.

However, the "jungle" primary has several names that do mean the same thing. "Louisiana primary" and "Cajun primary" redirect here; there should be a merger with run-off primary election under this title or "Louisiana primary" -- not run-off primary, which is an incredibly confusing term, as many states have primary run-off elections but only Louisiana has the so-called run-off primary. --SuperNova |T|C| 17:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Need to have correct taxonomy and titles[edit]

Political scientists classify American primary elections into four main types (actually, there are sub-types as well, depending upon how a voter is legally defined as "affiliated" -- registration, affirmation, etc.). A closed primary is one where voters affiliated with a particular party may select for all offices contested a nominee from choices of only that party. An open primary is one where voters regardless of party affiliation may select for all offices contested a nominee from choices of only one particular party. A blanket primary is one where voters regardless of affiliation may select for each office contested a nominee regardless of the nominee's affiliation, as long as only one choice is made per office. A nonpartisan blanket primary is one where candidates run in the same primary contest regardless of affiliation.

The last describes the Louisiana system since 1975. In 20+ years in the profession until I saw this entry I never had encountered the term "jungle primary." It is not the proper name as used by those who study election systems, and should be replaced by the term, "nonpartisan blanket primary." Voteearlyvoteoften 14:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the informed input. I would support a merge/move to nonpartisan blanket primary, with a redirect from Louisiana primary (and this and the other terms, just because). Do any other states have such a system or is Louisiana the only one? --SuperNova |T|C| 00:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree that this article needs to be merged into blanket primary or that both be merged into "nonpartisan blanket primary". As far as I know, the term "jungle primary" was never meant to be anything other than an ironic, dispariging nickname for the process, not its official title. Rlquall 17:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

It would seem the most logical thing to do would be to make this article part of the "blanket primary" article, under a subsection called "non-partisan blanket primary," where the term "jungle primary" can be noted as an "also known as" (as well as possibly "Cajun primary," though that term doesn't seem to be as commonly used).

And to answer Supernova, yes, currently Lousiana is the only state to have this system, though other states used to have it, and it may be considered in other states, as is already noted in the "jungle primary" article. Troodon 07:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Isn't this exactly the same as the French two-round system?[edit]

Terminology aside, isn't this exactly the same as the Two-round system as used in France? The French don't call the first vote a primary, but apart from that I fail to see a difference. Therefore I think this article should be merged with Two-round system. -- 212.63.43.180 13:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The biggest difference is that in France (and many other countries) parties select candidates through their internal processes, rather than the public electing them in primary elections. Consequently you don't get all the contenders for a party's nomination running against each other and against other party candidates in the public election itself. For instance Ségolène Royal was selected as the Socialist candidate for the French presidential election, 2007 against Laurent Fabius and Dominique Strauss-Kahn in a ballot of party members. Fabius and Stauss-Kahn were never up against Nicolas Sarkozy and Royal effectively fought three elections - one to get the party nomination, another in the first round of the Presidential election to get into the last two (which her predecessor as Socialist candidate failed to achieve in 2002) and then finally the second round head to head with Sarkozy. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Was this really used in California[edit]

I thought California had an "open primary" for a while, and that there was a failed ballot measure for the Louisiana primary. Could someone who knows the specifics find the proposition numbers? Scott Ritchie (talk) 04:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

California has a 2010 ballot proposition (prop 14) that appears to be exactly this. Is it? I think something should be added, whether or not the prop passes.Spitzak (talk) 22:34, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Really needs criticism section[edit]

The article really needs a criticism section. The main one, of course, is the very real possibility that two candidates from the same party make it into the second round. In such a case, the winning party is whichever one had fewer candidates - a party with only 2 contenders will split its votes far less than one with 10. Scott Ritchie (talk) 04:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

But that's subjective. Some may consider it a good thing to have two from the same party in the second round. Also, just because a party has fewer candidates does not necessarily mean it will advance two of them to the final round. A party could have 10 candidates, but if one is well-known and the other nine aren't, the well-known candidate will likely dominate the vote. 98.209.116.7 (talk) 02:24, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Washington[edit]

Any suggestions on how to add Washington's new Top Two primary to this article? TechBear (talk) 23:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Let's write an article about 872. Chadlupkes (talk) 20:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Some more still needs to be done though; I'll add some more material. Peace, --Wikibojopayne (talk) 23:25, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Criticism section[edit]

The criticism section doesn't explain why critics dislike calling this an open primary system. 98.209.116.7 (talk) 02:22, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Page looks cleaned up to me[edit]

I think this article is cleaned up now. Thoughts? --Wikibojopayne (talk) 16:46, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Voter splitting[edit]

The article says that gamesmanship can be used in which voters from one party split their vote to send 2 candidates from their own party to the second round. This implies that a given voter gets 2 votes, which seems unlikely. Is the voter supposed to agree with his buddy that each will vote for a different person from their favored party? the description in the article is unclear how the "vote split" works to their advantage. Edison (talk) 00:49, 23 September 2013 (UTC)