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Nature and Goal
I think this page should include more information about the goals. I briefly added one of their goals, however; this page would be more informative if this section of the page is expanded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsong248 (talk • contribs) 03:55, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Archive and distinction from not-for-profit
In the archive there were frequent questions about the difference between a nonprofit and a not-for-profit. I am fairly sure that there is no official difference. II | (t - c) 07:34, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Non profit templates to form a nonprofit
http://www.northwestregisteredagent.com/articles-of-incorporation-non-profit.html - The webpage is not promotional. If you're going to form a non profit, you need a proper template. No state or the IRS provides a proper template in a word doc or pdf format to simply use to form a non profit. If you look at the link, you can't buy the template on the website, you can't hire a service done to form a nonprofit, you can't pay for the non profit template, therefore it's not advertising. Try searching the web for a free nonprofit template to use with IRS tax exempt language. You actually can't find one, except for the linked page. I counsel nonprofits and have had many people use that free template to establish a nonprofit. If this wiki page is actually going to help a nonprofit organization, don't you think one should be able to see what is required to start one and what exactly they will need (and get for free) to take to a state, file it, and form their nonprofit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonprofitassoc (talk • contribs) 21:34, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Dear "Nonprofitassoc": Yes, the webpage is promotional. The entire web site is promotional. The "template" for nonprofit organizations may be free, but the web page is clearly part of the entire advertising program on the web site for "Northwest Registered Agent LLC." That company, according to the web site, is engaged in the business of providing services to form corporations and limited liability companies. The web site clearly states that the company charges a fee for the services. Linking to this web site is the promotion of advertising spam. The "free template" for nonprofit organizations is simply part of the advertising program for the business of Northwest Registered Agent LLC.
- Many businesses include a certain amount of free materials on their web sites. The fact that no "template" to form a non-profit organization is found "for free" on the internet anywhere except the "Northwest Registered Agent LLC" web site (assuming that this is actually a fact) does not justify a link to the web site. Yours, Famspear (talk) 03:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Nonprofitassoc, while I appreciate your efforts to make nonprofit filing information more accessible, I'm afraid I agree with Famspear's comments above and with Mindmartix's comments in his edit summaries and on your talk page; the website is promoting its own services (even if some of them are free), and per WP:NOTPROMOTION, it should not be linked to. –Prototime (talk · contribs) 04:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
I put it up there almost a year ago and it's helped a lot of people. I disagree on the promotional aspect. Every website has a purpose and generates money. Wikipedia itself generates money. If the template was housed on a school website would it be promotional because the school sells admission to its university? It would be different if the link was to a page selling nonprofit incorporations. (oh did you notice there are links on the page that do link to people selling nonprofit incorporations?) Your argument of a website being promotional isn't valid, since every website is funded somehow. The link is to a template that someone needing to form a nonprofit organization will need to actually accomplish it on their own. Again, you can't actually pay that website for the template, you can't pay the website to form a nonprofit for you, so I fail to see how the link is promotional. It's a word document. Try clicking on it. Your comments are contradictory and not accurate.
The other references are to a paid dictionary, a book for sale, publication companies selling books like this: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=727363,
and junk like this? http://www.sfsgo.com/what-is-a-guarantee-company , http://www.alliancemagazine.org/free/html/jun07a.html , https://minidonations.org/2010/02/social-benefit-organization/, http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/not-for-profit?q=not-for-profit+, http://www.bis.gov.uk/cicregulator/, more books for sale: http://books.google.com/books?id=5OFFNw0a1dkC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false ,
Has any of you actually looked at this webpage or are you just on some wiki regulatory mission without a cause? There's for profit links all over this page. Books to buy and an amazing amount of junk, and you guys don't want a link to a template that isn't even for sale and actually helps out a visitor to this page?
- Dear Nonprofitassoc: No, it looks like the links you're citing are mainly to references -- that is, to sources for the material in the article. The link you want to provide does not accomplish that purpose. Further, if any of those links violate Wikipedia rules, they should be removed as well. Famspear (talk) 00:32, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Section 2 seems to be structured somewhat illogically and haphazardly. I considered a couple quick-fixes, but I think someone will have to actually restructure that information. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 08:30, 15 January 2014 (UTC)