Talk:Nontheistic religions

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Atheism[edit]

Isn't Atheism one of the most notable non-theist religions? xnamkcor (talk) 04:00, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

It's not a religion. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:39, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
"Religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to the supernatural, and to spirituality." Atheism fits the definition used in this very wiki. xnamkcor (talk) 08:08, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Atheism refers to a disbelief in the existence of gods. That's a single belief, not "an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems and worldviews". JudahH (talk) 01:36, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Let's just be thankful "secular humanism" isn't often invoked anymore as a faith on a level with Christianity, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prohairesius (talkcontribs) 17:56, July 7, 2014‎

More nominations for inclusion here[edit]

Confucianism, Taoism, and animism deserve consideration as nontheistic religions. And if you're going to include some versions of Christianity, you should certainly add more spiritualized versions of Stoicism (in which providence, or reason, replaces the Olympian pantheon); and Neoplatonism (where the One functions similarly). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prohairesius (talkcontribs) 17:56, July 7, 2014‎

Are you SERIOUS?[edit]

And I suppose "Theistic religions are traditions of thought within religions, some aligned with non-theism, others not, in which theism informs religious beliefs or practices."? What rubbish! The first line of the lede is Risible. How is a religion (or religions) "traditions of thought" within themselves? Or is this supposed to mean that they are "within" other religions???
WTF does "some otherwise aligned with theism" mean? NOTHING!! Apparently, the author of the above likes to listen to himself/herself talk, since there is ZERO information content in "alignment" of traditions with theism.
"in which nontheism informs religious beliefs or practices" WHAT?!? This is saying that nontheistic religion is nontheisism "informing" beliefs or practices? Who would have guessed?!! Just plain unhelpful. A nontheistic religion is a "tradition"??? I think you mean organized (or traditional) nontheistic religions are. Anybody here ever heard that religions are systems of beliefs and practices? Who would have guessed! A nontheistic religion is WITHIN a religion?? Some nontheistic religions are "aligned" with theism? Some are not "aligned" with theism? WTF is this supposed to mean?? Nontheistic religions are religions which do not presume the existence of gods. It is not directly relevant that nontheistic philosophy may 'align' with certain flavors of deism. The lede must focus on nontheistic RELIGIONS, not philosophy. It doesn't seem able to DO that; it certainly is incorrect to mention Hinduism. Rather than semantically meaningless dribble, why not attempt to construct an article which informs? The apparent problem is that the author(s) are unable to deal with the semantics of what a religion is. I am not sufficiently motivated to investigate whether or not the reference agrees with the miserable explanation given or not. Assuming it is, a BETTER source needs to be found, but either way the first sentence should be removed and (possibly) replaced with one which summarizes what, generally, is meant by the term "non-theistic religion". Isn't this obvious?Abitslow (talk) 19:12, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Better/simpler lead section?[edit]

Shouldn't it be more simple, ie. just refer to the word "god" or "deity" instead of "theism"? I could just make the changes myself but i think it needs a significant rewrite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkiPoli (talkcontribs) 08:54, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I think it would be fine for you to be bold and go ahead and make revisions. (If anyone disagrees, they might revert or modify your edits. Also, keep WP:NOR in mind.) I would argue, however, that using the word "theism" makes sense, in that it provides an "opposite" to "nontheism". --Tryptofish (talk) 21:25, 12 August 2014 (UTC)