Talk:North Shore (Massachusetts)

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Shouldn't Hamilton-Wenham be here? I always thought it was part of the North Shore. Lizzy 15:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


POV?[edit]

Considered wealthier and more prominent by whom? I would like to see a source for this, otherwise I would like to remove it.Caligi 04:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Probably by the movie The Departed.

Inconsistency of subject[edit]

If the North Shore generally doesn't include Gloucester, why should we know about it? On the other hand, if it should, why shouldn't it be on the map? Morypcaina 23:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

The map highlights municipalities that the article does not include (e.g., Chelsea) while omitting others that are included in the article (e.g., Winthrop). I don't care whether these (or any) qualify as "North Shore" or not, but the map should be consistent with the article. Mileage 05:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)mileage

Urban Sububan?[edit]

Is this just a nice way of saying "It's suburban, but since it's in Massachusetts, it makes most Southwestern US cities look like a joke?" If so, I approve.

I would suppose so, yes -- suburban in the sense of not being the cultural or employment center of its metro area, but urban in the sense of having city utilities, transportation structures, concerns and (in some cases) demographics. Which is how all of Boston's inner suburbs, and a substantial swath outside 128, are. W i k i W i s t a h t / c 00:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Boxford?[edit]

"As far west as Boxford" is labeled on the main page. Boxford isn't considered west by any means. Look it up on a map. It's just above Topsfield, and it's more north than west. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.28.129.126 (talk) 15:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

It's west when you're talking about a region defined, by some, as exclusively coastal. Boxford is two towns inland from the coast (depending on how you drive it -- if you flew due east from the southeastern end of town, you'd actually cross four or five town lines). I've never heard anyone try to define "North Shore" as including the Andovers or the Readings, but Boxford (because of its connections with Topsfield and Middleton) sometimes makes the cut. Along with Lynnfield and Wakefield, it's the farthest west of the "North Shore" towns.
Also note that the "Boxford" comment comes in the context of the possible extension of "North Shore" as far as Amesbury/Newburyport. In that context, Boxford isn't north at all (only New Hampshire would be north of those towns); it is due west of Ipswich and Rowley, southwest of Newburyport. W i k i W i s t a h W a s s a p 16:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

"Cultural" section[edit]

The section on the "culture" of the North Shore focuses on its status as a wealthy area, with exclusive communities, country clubs, prep schools, and so on. But the cities which form the core of the North Shore—Beverly, Salem, Peabody, Lynn—have a long history as working-class industrial communities; they were the center of the American shoe industry for decades. Lynn is still a predominantly working-class community, with a lot of immigrants. The North Shore I know is completely unrecognizable from the "culture" description in the article. AJD (talk) 16:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. When anyone in Massachusetts thinks about the North Shore, they think of Saugus, Revere, and Lynn. That is the real North Shore, any other assertion is ridiculous. For anyone to think otherwise would be foolish, that is the opinion of the whole of Massachusetts (Yes, I feel comfortable speaking for everyone). Dough007 (talk) 02:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

No one thinks of Lynn as part of the North Shore... it is an entity entirely within itself. The North Shore is considered the Newport, RI of the Boston area and home to the most prestigious institutions of our state. Those who think otherwise have likely not ventured into the highest echelons of North Shore society. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wfu2012 (talkcontribs) 21:01, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

As somebody who grew up on the North Shore, I find your comments to be way off mark, if not preposterous. No one would compare Gloucester or Salem to Newport, Rhode Island. The North Shore is already defined by many political and economic institutions, as cited in the article. As for "the most prestigious institutions of our state," perhaps you have failed to notice that Harvard, MIT, Amherst, Williams, Groton, Andover, etc. are not to be found in Boxford or Manchester. Regarding Lynn, apparently the North Shore Navigators baseball team needs to change their name, and North Shore Community College should find another home. --TimothyDexter (talk) 22:56, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I have owned a home in Manchester my entire life. I consider Myopia Hunt to be the most prominent club in the nation, as is Essex. I should have clarified- social institutions. Gloucester and Salem are also not typical North Shore. Manchester, Marblehead, Swampscott, Hamilton, Wenham, Ipswich, Newburyport are all cities that Slim Aarons compared to Newport and Greenwich. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wfu2012 (talkcontribs) 03:40, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Good for you, but forgive me if I do not particularly value what you "consider." So long as you keep removing references and rewriting the article with uncited fluff, it will be reverted. --TimothyDexter (talk) 20:09, 21 May 2011 (UTC)