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Admin HQ[edit]

What is the HQ of this county? --Maddawg1967--

Northallerton Yorkshire Phoenix 08:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Carve-up of North Yokshire[edit]

I remember being sent literature regarding possible alterations to North Yorkshire in the early 90s. Among various options included Hambleton, Craven, Richmondshire and Harrogate districts to secede and become 'The Dales Council' and with the rump North Yorkshire to revert to 'North Riding'. Another option was for Lanbaugh district (then Cleveland) and the old East Riding of Yorkshire to merge with North Yorkshire to form an even bigger county. Nothing came of it but worth a mention I'd have thought.15:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

See linked article[edit]

I've found my original maps and references, and will be adding it to the [History of local government in Yorkshire] article. I've added the link, I'm now off to add the detail.

BTW, I can't find anything about Langbaugh leaving the former Cleveland collection of councils. Jgharston (talk) 19:48, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Tone of "Education" section[edit]

The education section has been marked as being in a tone not appropriate for an encyclopedia. The single sentence is, "North Yorkshire LEA has a mostly comprehensive education system with 42 state schools... and 12 independent schools..." I believe that the person who flagged the section misunderstood the sentence as meaning "North Yorkshire has a mostly thorough education system" rather than "North Yorkshire has an education system based around comprehensive schools", where "comprehensive school" is single school catering to pupils of all academic abilities. I believe that the link in the sentence makes this clear enough so I have deleted the "inappropriate tone" tag. Dricherby (talk) 21:41, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for deleting the tag - I think it was a left over from when it was a longer section, most of which was deleted by a user who went round most county articles deleting education details. Keith D (talk) 22:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Surely this section is wrong anyway? North Yorkshire has *well* more than 42 state schools... there are more than 300! Does the figure only relate to Secondary schools? (ChrisP)

Elections[edit]

The article requires details of the political structure adding together with details of the recent European election & County council election. Keith D (talk) 12:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Height of Whernside[edit]

A Google search revealed that Whernside is either 704m or 736m, depending on the website quoted. Does anyone know the real height of Whernside? Michael Glass (talk) 14:13, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

The 1:25,000 Ordnance Survey figure is 736 m. It has a trig point, so I have no doubt that it is the definitive height. Great Whernside, between Wharfedale and Nidderdale is 704 m high. There is a well-researched list of peaks in the Yorkshire Dales with their heights at List_of_peaks_in_the_Yorkshire_Dales --Langcliffe (talk) 06:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that clarification. Michael Glass (talk) 03:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

An average of 45-90 days of snow in winter? Tosh.[edit]

I have checked the alleged source for this statement, and it shows that nowhere in Yorkshire is the average number of days of (lying) snow more than 18. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.13.220 (talk) 11:18, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I have double-checked and according to the Met Office website snow lies for a maximum of between 45 and 70 days a year in those locations. I think that your error was that you looked at a specific month rather than the annual total. Anyway, I have corrected the page to reflect the Met Office figures. --Langcliffe (talk) 20:25, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

"Economy" section - what does it mean?[edit]

The "Economy" section presents a chart (sic; actually it's a table) of something called "regional gross value added at current basic prices". A reference directs the reader to an ONS PDF document containing (with no explanation) this information. As a ref it's perfect, referring as it does to an official ONS report. As useful information it's as much use as a chocolate fireguard, giving as it does no clue at all what "regional gross value added" may be.

WP has no article on this thing, and a quick Google search throws up many instances of documents detailing it without explaining it. Given that this section merely contains an inaccurately-described (it's a table, not a chart) of inxeplicable (or at least unexplained) numbers, does it have any place in the article? I propose to delete the "Economy" section on 17th April 2011 unless it is improved before then. Tonywalton Talk 23:58, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I am NOT an economist, but as far as I know the GVA is a way of measuring the sum of incomes earned from the production of goods and services in the region using methodologies determined by the EU which allows comparison of economic growth across the EU. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_economy/ET627.pdf has a helpful section on this together with fuller references. As I am not an economist, I have no intention of modifying the section, and have no vested interest in whether it is kept or deleted. --Langcliffe (talk) 06:24, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Try Gross value added. Admittedly a stub but it does exist and it defines the term. --Harkey (talk) 18:48, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

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York the largest 'settlement' within the ceremonial county?[edit]

Im afraid I have to disagree with this statement as the largest settlement within the ceremonial county of North Yorkshire is Middlesbrough. As of 2011, the York urban area had a population of 137,505 whereas the population of Middlesbrough was 138,700 and that's not even taking into account the larger urban area of Middlesbrough which extends beyond the authority. The local government district of the City of York is larger however with around 200,000 people, but covers a much larger area than York itself so i feel the statement is misleading saying its the largest settlement. Maybe its the largest town in 'true' Yorkshire as many people up here (hailing from the Middlesbrough area myself) are mixed when it comes to the Yorkshire identity (Acklamite) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.22.136.58 (talk) 19:41, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

ONS figures give York as 197,800 and Middlesbrough as 138,400. Keith D (talk) 22:06, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Those figures are for the unitary authority not the actual urban area. The City of York covers a much larger area than just York itself. It even shows this within the York article. This paragraph is taken from the demography section on the article;

"The York urban area had a population of 137,505[1] comprising 66,142 males and 71,363 females in 2001. Also at the time of the 2001 UK census, the City of York had a total population of 181,094 of whom 93,957 were female and 87,137 were male"

(Acklamite (talk) 18:11, 15 March 2013 (UTC))

Ok so now new data has been released pertaining to the new classification of Built-up areas in place of the previous urban areas. The 2011 data provided by the ONS shows considerable change in the way urban areas are defined in England & Wales [2][3] and therefore the way in which the urban area or built-up area subdivision of both Middlesbrough and York are viewed. According to the National statistics, as of 2011, the Built-up Area Subdivision of Middlesbrough had a population of 174,700 whereas the Built-up Area Subdivision of York had 152,841[4] (excluding Earswick which is counted as a seperate subdivison). This puts Middlesbrough as the largest settlement in terms of built-up area as this new method pays no respect to council boundaries. This said, York is still the largest City in North Yorkshire and is a considerably larger district. So in an urban sense, Middlesbrough is the larger settlement, but as a municipal corporation/district sense York is larger. Acklamite (talk) 20:54, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Bus routes[edit]

Request to put on Bus routes due to List of bus routes in North Yorkshire being proposed for deletion and the information to be put on to this instead although links can be provided so it links up this stopping deletion DF2 (talk) 20:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

  • I don't think you will get much support for this as you may judge from the responses to the AfD on List of bus routes in North Yorkshire. It is not only lists of bus routes in North Yorkshire being nominated for deletion, it for all similar lists in all other counties too. There is also a lot of opposition to bus routes being put on individual town/city/village articles. Main reason being given that the level of detail being given is not appropriate to an encyclopedia and the amount of effort required to keep details on routes and sources up to date . There are plenty of other sites dedicated to providing this information, such as the bus companies themselves, local council web sites and independent web sites like Traveline.info There is some support for this information to put on the new sister project of WikiVoyage as it has more to do with helping travellers. If you look at WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements this will give a guide on what sort of things are expected to be seen in articles on places. Personally i have only ever mentioned that a particular place is served by a bus route stating only the termini (no number or bus company) and this only for rural places where it might have more relevance. It is more or less a given that that large towns and cities will have a choice of bus services.Rimmer1993 (talk) 12:18, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

1974 Formation[edit]

Is anybody working on a 1974 formation map in the style of, for example: South Yorkshire 1974? If not, I've got the maps, and can do it. Jgharston (talk) 13:18, 18 August 2013 (UTC)


Towns and Villages[edit]

The list omits Ingleby Barwick which is wholly within North Yorkshire witha population of 19,600[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.63.199 (talk) 08:17, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Im not entirely sure Ingleby Barwick is a town or village. I know it is often regarded as a town by some and yes it does even have a town council[3] which was granted in 2007, but has it ever received any charter of incorporation? Perhaps the term 'township' would be better, although personally I still see it as Europe's largest housing estate. Acklamite (talk) 12:14, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference KS01 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingleby_Barwick
  3. ^ [1]Ingleby Barwick Town Council
Since the recent changes in the legislation I think there is no longer any need for there to be a charter to be called a town. It can be done by the parish council in a resolution, so if the council calls it a town council then we have to go with it. Keith D (talk) 00:28, 26 September 2014 (UTC)