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Northern Thai language[edit]

How are the Thai Yuan different from Northern Thai language and why do we have these as separate entries in the template if they are the same? Badagnani 20:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Redirected from Thai Yuan to Northern Thai people and fixed the template as well. "Khon Mueang" might have been better, but I chose "Northern Thai people" for symmetry with Northern Thai language.--William Thweatt ^Talk^Contribs 05:17, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thai Yuan[edit]

The tern Thai Yuan is considered pejorative, but I've yet to find a published source to state specifically why. One may get a sense of why from the article on the Dali Kingdom. I added:

Historians, however, relate that the "traitor" was the last king of Dali, himself, who first fought and then surrendered to the forces of Kublai Khan, to be spared and later appointed by Möngke Khan (also known as Mengu) as the region's first Native Chieftain.^[1]

^ Du Yuting; Chen Lufan (1989). "Did Kublai Khan's Conquest of the Dali Kingdom Give Rise to the Mass Migration of the Thai People to the South?" (free). Journal of the Siam Society. JSS Vol. 77.1c (digital). Siam Heritage Trust: pp. 2–4. Retrieved March 17, 2013. ...Duan Xingzhi, the king of the Dali Kingdom, who originally showed resistance but later was willing to surrender, was bought over and made use of. As a result, the measures taken by the Mongolian aristocracy towards the king of the Dali Kingdom rapidly took effect. In 1255 and 1256 Duan Xingzhi was presented at court, offering Mengu ... maps of Yunnan and counsels about the vanquishing of the tribes who had not yet surrendered.... {{cite journal}}: |pages= has extra text (help); line feed character in |quote= at position 33 (help)

Du Yuting; Chen Lufan (1989) give ample reason to surmise the last king of Dali was the first Thai Yuan, and that the term subsequently applied to native chieftains subservient to the Yuan dynasty. —Pawyilee (talk) 05:36, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

northern thai people need to be change to yuan people or tai yuan[edit]

not all northern thai are tai yuan, and change northern thai language to tai yuan language thanks. Lalalulilalia (talk) 12:13, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As WilliamThweatt noted above from 2012, the choice of article title isn't set in stone. A WP:requested move could be started to consider the issue. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Paul 012: I believe the title should be moved as well, as the current name is Thailand-centric (the ethnic group is found in Laos as well) and easily confused with "people from northern Thailand". Considering the earlier comments, and if you agree, I would think we have established a concensus. --Glennznl (talk) 21:21, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kham Mueang is probably the more usual term for referring to the language, and "Northern Thai" is widely used, like it or not. Further input seems warranted. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:29, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I thought this was the language article. For the people, the matching title would be khon mueang, though the term doesn't seem as common. A double RM might be the way to go. --Paul_012 (talk) 23:05, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[JSS_077_1c_DuYutingChenLufan-1] Du Yuting; Chen Lufan (1989). "Did Kublai Khan's Conquest of the Dali Kingdom Give Rise to the Mass Migration of the Thai People to the South?" (free). Journal of the Siam Society. JSS Vol. 77.1c (digital). Siam Heritage Trust: pp. 2–4. Retrieved March 17, 2013. ...Duan Xingzhi, the king of the Dali Kingdom, who originally showed resistance but later was willing to surrender, was bought over and made use of. As a result, the measures taken by the Mongolian aristocracy towards the king of the Dali Kingdom rapidly took effect. In 1255 and 1256 Duan Xingzhi was presented at court, offering Mengu ... maps of Yunnan and counsels about the vanquishing of the tribes who had not yet surrendered.... {{cite journal}}: |pages= has extra text (help); line feed character in |quote= at position 33 (help)

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