Talk:November-class submarine

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April 2011 - valuable research source[edit]

While expanding the intro and adding cites to this and the Victor class article, I noticed a semi-cryptic ("~username" type sub-folder) reference that contains a wealth of Military & Aerospace related info and hyperlinks, in a different Index folder.

Andreas Gehrs-Pahl, who apparently has ties to the University of Michigan Computer Club (the club's server doesn't show much activity since 1997, and there are still references to "gopher:" protocol links!), maintains his various research lists and links here. It is otherwise hard to back-navigate from the actual cited reference link posted in this "submarine class" and other similar articles, but I can tell from browsing his other project folders that many Wikipedia militaria articles owe a lot of their content to him, directly or indirectly. — DennisDallas (talk) 22:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Also, since Andreas credits much of the NATO Code Name info and text on his website to military expert Robin J. Lee, Robin's excellent website and "legacy site" pages would be good Russian Navy and general militaria resources, as well. — DennisDallas (talk) 23:12, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Gentlemen - If you wish to address issues related to the Russian Navy you would be best served by referring to original sources rather than derivative information. A careful reading of the introduction to Robin Lee's clearly shows that he is merely harvesting information from original sources and not providing anything overly original from himself. Wikipedia is best served when fed by original sources. Therefore, I consider your suggestion of using Robin Lee's information not in the interests of the purpose of Wikipedia.Федоров (talk) 16:30, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Fedorov: My point, on this otherwise empty talkpage, was that Gehrs-Paul and Lee had amassed a wealth of links and 'resources' not that they necessarily were 'sources' to be cited. I point to, as an example, Lee's "Foreign Military Section".
Whether due to language restrictions or pure laziness by other editors, many Russian/NATO-related articles are sorely lacking English language citations, and proper reference formatting. Many Wikipedia editors need a starting point, from which to help with the backlog of such articles (many of which are randomly assigned by their Project). I know that I wouldn't wish to pore over cyrillic texts by Kolesnikov, Karpenko, or Holyavsky. (I'm more of a Jane's or Ordnance Magazine kind of guy!) Feel free to jump in and help clean-up all the {cite needed} tags that plague these articles in your interest area. Спасибо за ваш интерес. — DennisDallas (talk) 18:40, 30 April 2011 (UTC) & 08:39, 24 May 2011 (UTC)