Talk:Novi Ligure murder

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Sacco-Vanzetti Revisited[edit]

Reading this article about a notorious murder makes me think of similarities to the Sacco-Vanzetti case in the USA in the 1920's when Sicilian immigrants (also anarchists or syndicalists) were scapegoated for a crime (which they probably did not commit) and executed. In the Italian case, it appears that the Italian magistrates were not swayed by public opinion to the extent that the framed Albanian immigrants were similarly dispatched. This is a truly interesting case and deserves further expansion. PeterHuntington 19:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Name change[edit]

I changed the name of this article from "Novi Ligure Homicide" to "Novi Ligure Murder." It's called the "omicidio di Novi Ligure" in Italian, but "omicidio" translates to English as "murder" rather than "homicide" -- it's a false cognate. The English sources for this article call it the "Novi Ligure Murder." -Fagles 20:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Be careful with sources, details and WP:BLP[edit]

Both convicts are alive, subject to WP:BLP, were 16 & 17 at the time of the crimes and are out on parole now. This makes me think that in most countries of the world their full names, privacy and certain details would be protected by juvenile offenders and parole laws etc.

Some of the evidence (leaked protocols and wiretapping) seems to have been obtained by means that in a few countries would be considered partly dubious partly illegal and certainly illegally to leaked to public. This details should not be used under such circumstances.

Seeing the problems of Italian justice in the Meredith Kercher case I prefer to be overly cautious. Richiez (talk) 15:15, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

They are not out on parole: they have fully served their punishment. Both are of age now, having been born in 1983 and 1984.--Broletto (talk) 13:37, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Served a reduced sentence, otherwise they would be in jail until 2015/2017 afaics. But you are right, they are not on parole. As of juvenile offenders, in most countries the age when the crime was committed is decissive. Does anything like this exist in Italy?Richiez (talk) 22:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
As far as I can see from press coverage, in Italy there is no longer any restriction about names and images of the offenders, once they have come of age. But I am no specialist in privacy matters.--Broletto (talk) 11:54, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Looking at Italian media they don't seem to hesitate to publish the most sensitive details and if the convicts will continue to seek publicity they probably can't complain about this.
For now I think the English Wikipedia should treat them as "convicts" in a murder case unless they have an established notability independent of the murder case - so far this does not seem to be the case (at least not sufficient for the English WP).
Wondering if you remember some details - was it a public process? Was the alleged statement "did you enjoy killing them?" officially released by the police, or somehow leaked to the media? Not just in this case - I am frequently amazed how Italian justice handles public relations and pre-trial evidence. Richiez (talk) 12:24, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry I can't help you with the details. I don't remember, and generaly I do not follow the ample chronicles about these cases. I agree there is a problem with overblowing of judicial rumours and leaks in Italian media.--Broletto (talk) 09:56, 23 January 2012 (UTC)