Talk:Novo Brdo

Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo

The user of the city names in English Language (newer version from the UN liable pilari in Kosovo for such think )

1. http://www.osce.org/kosovo/13982.html

The original page of the Law (1. in albanian L., 2.Serbian L.)

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1. http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/03albanian/A2000regs/RA2000_43.htm
2. http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/04serbian/SC2000regs/RSC2000_43.pdf

The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for albanian language.

RREGULLORe NR. 2000/43
UNMIK/REG/2000/43
27 korrik 2000
Mbi numrin, emrat dhe kufinjtë e komunave
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Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm,
Në pajtim me autorizimin e tij të dhënë me rezolutën 1244 (1999) të datës 10 qershor 1999 të 
Këshillit të Sigurimit të Kombeve të Bashkuara,
Duke marrë parasysh Rregulloren nr. 1999/1 të datës 25 korrik 1999, të ndryshuar, të
Misionit të Administratës së Përkohshme të Kombeve të Bashkuara në Kosovë (UNMIK)
mbi autorizimin e Administratës së 
Përkohshme në Kosovë dhe Rregulloren Nr. 1999/24 të datës 12 dhjetor 1999 të UNMIK-ut 
mbi ligjin në fuqi në Kosovë,
Me qëllim të qartësimit të numrit, emrave, shtrirja dhe kufinjve të komunave para mbajtjes 
së zgjedhjeve komunale në Kosovë,
Shpall sa vijon:
Neni 1
Numri dhe emrat e komunave
Kosova ka tridhjetë komuna ashtu siç figurojnë në Tabelën ‘A’ të kësaj rregulloreje. 
Komunikimi zyrtar nuk përmban asnjë emër për ndonjë komunë i cili nuk figuron në Tabelën ‘A’ 
të kësaj rregulloreje, përveç që në ato komuna ku komunitetet etnike a gjuhësore joshqiptare 
dhe joserbe përbëjnë një pjesë substanciale, emrat e komunave jepen edhe në gjuhët e 
atyre komuniteteve.
Neni 2
Shtrirja dhe kufinjtë e komunave
Shtrirja e çdo komune dhe kufinjtë e tyre skicohen nga zonat e tyre përbërëse kadastrale. 
Zonat kadastrale të cilat përbëjnë çdo komunë figurojnë në Tabelën ‘B’ të kësaj rregulloreje.
Neni 3
Zbatimi
Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm mund të lëshojë direktiva administrative 
në lidhje me zbatimin e kësaj rregulloreje.
Neni 4
Ligji i zbatueshëm
Kjo rregullore mbulon çdo dispozitë në ligjin e zbatueshëm e cila nuk është në përputhje me të. 
Neni 5
Hyrja në fuqi
Kjo rregullore hyn në fuqi më 27 korrik 2000.
Bernard Kouchner
Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm

The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for serbian language.

UREDBA BR. 2000/43
UNMIK/URED/2000/43
27. jul 2000. godine
O BROJU, IMENIMA I GRANICAMA OP[TINA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara,
Shodno ovla{}ewu koje mu je dato Rezolucijom Saveta bezbednosti Ujediwenih
nacija 1244 (1999) od 10. juna 1999. godine,
Na osnovu Uredbe br. 1999/1 od 25. jula 1999. godine Privremene
administrativne misije Ujediwenih nacija na Kosovu (UNMIK), sa izmenama i
dopunama, o ovla{}ewima Privremene uprave na Kosovu i na osnovu Uredbe
UNMIK-a br. 2000/24 od 12. decembra 2000. godine o zakonu koji je u primeni na
Kosovu, <u>(hier is oficele user)</u>
U ciqu razja{wavawa broja, imena, oblasti i granica op{tina pre odr`avawa
op{tinskih izbora na Kosovu,
Ovim objavquje slede}e:
Clan 1
BROJ I IMENA OPSTINA
1.1 Kosovo ima trideset opstina kao sto je dato u Tabeli '''A''' u dodatku ovoj
Uredbi.
1.2 Zvani~na komunikacija ne mo`e da sadrzi bilo koje ime za opstinu koje
nije naziv odredjen u Tabeli A ove Uredbe, osim u onim opstinama gde etni~ke i
jezi~ke zajednice, koje nisu srpske i albanske ~ine znatan deo stanovni{tva, gde
se imena op{tina daju i na jezicima tih zajednica.
Clan 2
PODRU^JA I GRANICE OP[TINA
Podru~je svake op{tine i wene granice su ocrtane wenim sastavnim
katastarskim zonama. Katastarske zone koje ~ine svaku op{tinu su odre|ene u
Tabeli B prilo`enoj u dodatku ovoj Uredbi.
Clan 3
PRIMENA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara mo`e da donese administrativno
uputstvo u vezi sa primenom ove Uredbe.
Clan 4
ZAKON KOJI JE U PRIMENI
Ova Uredba zamewuje svaku odredbu zakona koji je u primeni a koja nije saglasna
sa wom.
Clan 5
STUPAWE NA SNAGU
Ova Uredba stupa na snagu 27. jula 2000. godine.
Bernar Ku{ner
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara

tabel of contens >A<

TABELA ‘A’ (alb) RASPORED A (ser.)
Emrat e komunave (alb.)IMENA OPSTINA (serb)
Albanski Srpski
01 Deçan \Decani
02 Gjakovë \Djakovica
03 Gllogovc \Glogovac
04 Gjilan \Gnilane
05 Dragash \Dragas
06 Istog \Istok
07 Kaçanik \Kacanik
08 Klinë\ Klina
09 Fushë Kosovë\ Kosovo Polje
10 Kamenicë \Kamenica
11 Mitrovicë \Kosovska Mitrovica
12 Leposaviq \Leposavic
13 Lipjan \Lipqan
14 Novobërdë \Novo Brdo
15 Obiliq \Obilic
16 Rahovec\ Orahovac
17 Pejë\ Pec
18 Podujevë\ Podujevo
19 Prishtinë \Pristina
20 Prizren \Prizren
21 Skenderaj\ Srbica
22 Shtime\ Stimqe
23 Shtërpcë\ Strpce
24 Suharekë\ Suva Reka
25 Ferizaj \Urosevac
26 Viti \Vitina
27 Vushtrri\ Vucitrn
28 Zubin Potok \Zubin Potok
29 Zveçan\ Zvecan
30 Malishevë\ Malisevo

If sambody have a argument Im waitting. In another cases you are going to interpret the dokumets (you are out of UN Law) and you dont have argumet, you dont work for Wikipedia but are destroing the Wikipedia image. I know that my english is not so gut, but a desinformation is not gut for Wikipedia and for the peopel in Kosovo. You can have a problem with "Haage". This tabel is speeken better then I.--Hipi Zhdripi 21:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

No argumet

No argumet!!! please dont inteprete the documents

Sombody have putit this Kosovo place in Serbia stub or category or template here with out argumet. We dont have a argumet that Kosovo is part of S/M. We have tha Constitution of this countrie but we have the rez. 1244 wich is more importen for the Wikipedia and is saying that Kosovo it is a part of Yougoslavia and is prototoriat of UN. Till we dont have a clearly argument from UN, aricel about Kosovo must be out of this stub or category or template. Pleas dont make the discution with intepretation or the Law wich are not accordin to 1244. Everybodoy can do that but that is nothing for Wikipedia.--Hipi Zhdripi 05:02, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo and Wikipedia

Before two years, I have presented the argument. In thate time it was clear, thate, Serbia with or without Kosovo, is going to be part of Europe Card for citys names. And Europ Card for citys names (komuna) is adopted from Kosovar Govermend. My dier friends in English Wikipedia, you are maken not a litel problem, but with all information, you are changen the oficial names of the citys in Kosovo.

You have taket the Serbial Law or some imagenedet rouls, als more importen thane UN Law. English Wikipedia is not working/existing under the Serbian Law, but under UN Law. Don´t be wondering if somebody is acusing the English Wikipedia for anti-UN propaganda and "spaming" desinformation to the internet iusers.

The mandat of UN in Kosovo is hight livel thane Serbian Law - witch since the UNMIK is in Kosovo, dont exist anymore for Kosovo.

1. You are working agains the Kosovo Law
2. You are working agains the Europen Card for city names
3. You are working agains the UNMIK - Law
4. You are working agains the UN - Law

The LAW of Kosovo, Eropen, UNMIK and UN, thate I have presented here before two years nobady diden respect.

Becose of this I acuse you for desinformations and working aganis this LAWS, and with you works here you are helping to destabisate the sitution in Balkan. DON SAY THAT YOUR HANDS ARE CLEAR, DONT BE PART OF PROPAGANDA WITCH MOTIVAT THE PRIMITIV PEOPEL, PLEASE REPECT THE UN - LAW

THE SYS. AND ADMINISTRATORS OF ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA HAVE RESPOSIBLITI TO STOP MAKEN WIKIPEDIA AS PART OF PROPAGANDA WITCH MOTIVATE PRIMITIV PEOPEL.

SINCE 2 YEARS, ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA WITH NOT RESPECTING THE UN LAW, IS HELPING IN DESTABILSATION OF THE BALKAN REGION. - Hipi Zhdripi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.70.183.85 (talk) 00:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Capital claims unfounded

There are no historical records to prove that Novo Brdo was a capital. Besides, with a population of 10,000 it could not have been 'one of Europe's biggest cities'. --Vladko (talk) 03:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

"Artana"

...is not an official name. It should not be used in the article or elsewhere. The English use "Novo Brdo", while Albanian use is "Novobërdë". Obviously, the alternative (newly-composed) name "Artana" was coined in order to Albanianize (or de-Serbianize) placenames in Kosovo, but has not been adopted. It was used in some mining paper for a site. --Zoupan 15:04, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Removal of content without an explanation

I wish to flag a recent edit I made that has subsequently been reverted. The paragraph in question discusses the presence of Albanian Catholic clergy twice in one paragraph, this only needs to be stated once as both statements are a repetition of each other. The names could possibly go under notable people, however I do not see any notoriety amongst the names. I was told to "Readd (sic) Madgearu" to which I have and the statement that "Albanians had arrived in Novo Brdo during this time period to work on the mines" is clearly stated in the book. ElderZamzam (talk) 21:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

No, there is no "repetition" in the text. Read it again until you see the difference. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ElderZamzam and @Ktrimi991, hope you’re well. I just want to ask what exactly is meant by the phrase “settled in Novo Brdo during the 13th to 14th century”? The reason I ask is because Novo Brdo was mentioned with its present name in historical documents as early as 1326, according to the article (although I don’t see a source, so this could be incorrect). On top of that, we have the following piece of information sourced to Rădvan: The arrival of German miners allowed the emergence of mining towns in the Balkans in the 13th and 14th century, among them Novo Brdo.

The point I’m trying to make here is that the information isn’t really tying up together on the article. Did Albanians settle the town itself, or the region in general? Did they contribute to the establishment of the town alongside the Saxon miners considering Rădvan’s statement, which suggests that Novo Brdo emerged in the 13th and 14th centuries?

I think the term “migration” in this case may refer to the town itself, which seems to have been established by Saxon miners (according to the article), rather than the Albanians being newcomers to Kosovo, which should be made explicitly clear IMO. Personally, I’d say this migration was more from Albanians in surrounding rural areas settling and contributing to an important and growing town, which is what the sources thus far would seem to suggest. I suppose if there were sources we could find that talk about when exactly the town was founded and maybe even more on when the different ethnic groups (Albanians, Saxons, Serbs, Bulgarians, Jews) settled in the town, this editing dispute can be put to rest? Botushali (talk) 10:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Ducellier says that Albanians from Tivar/Bar, northern Albania etc settled Novo Brdo, "thus reinforcing the Albanian population in Kosovo". The latter part makes it clear that Albanians in general were not newcomers in Kosovo, hence I added it to the article. Ktrimi991 (talk) 10:15, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Great - solid addition. Botushali (talk) 10:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Greetings @Botushali and welcome to this discussion. I appreciate you acting as a mediator. Ktrimi991 added the term "settled" so they will have to comment on that choice of word. The two sources are limited on content and create unambiguity. In the book The Byzantine Economy by Laiou and Morrisson (2007), they mention that the mines were predominately manned by Saxons. In the book The Serbs by Cirkovic (2008), they mention that Novo Brdo existed as an autonomous city run by the Saxons with little oversight and based off of those readings, was a Catholic dominated city (however this isn't explicitly stated). I haven't found any sources to date which note when the city was exactly founded, however I have found some articles on Saxon migration. I will keep looking. I do not deny that Albanians were already in Kosovo before these migrations, my reservations are with the fact that they formed Novo Brdo when in fact it appears Novo Brdo started off as a mining community by Saxons which is what you have already stated Botushali. ElderZamzam (talk) 10:37, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough - the sources and content you mentioned above regarding the Saxons would be nice to add to the article if you have time! Saxon history in the region is pretty interesting. I don't think any of the sources (or Ktrimi for that matter) have claimed that Albanians founded the city - I think it's pretty obvious it was the Saxons that built the foundations of a mining town, so maybe those sources you mentioned would help clear things up. Nonetheless, it would seem that the large-scale settlement of other peoples - Albanian and Slav alike - aided in establishing Novo Brdo as a major town early on in its existence. I like the way the article is now [1], but some more info on the Saxons would be great. Botushali (talk) 10:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is a very rich history. It is a miracle that the Saxon church of St. Peter's Basilica Church, Stari Trg is still standing. Agreed then, the page now can be status quo and I will add some info on Saxon movements. Cheers. ElderZamzam (talk) 10:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC)