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It is Certain China does not have nuclear powered submarines. Research indicates that all data circulating on this is a hoax. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.153 (talk) 18:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In 1955 the USA president was Dwight D. Eisenhower, not Harry S. Truman. So I guess it must have been Dwight D. Eisenhower who broke the champagne bottle.

Nuclear-armed submarine[edit]

China claims to have nuclear powered submarines but experts believe these claims are false. They show Xia submarines (in reality a Diesal one) from far and claim it is nuclear. In addition also stuff placed on the net on China's nuclear submarines is false and planted.

I would agree China can not till make miniature contained nuclear power plants. Ghosh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.39.124.4 (talk) 21:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect many will be looking for this subject when coming here, not finding what they are looking for. I propose that an article titled for instance Nuclear-armed submarine be created and the current page title turned into a disambiguation page between the two different articles. __meco (talk) 10:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC) China claims to have nuclear powered submarines but experts believe these claims are false. They show Xia submarines (in reality a Diesal one) from far and claim it is nuclear. In addition also stuff placed on the net on China's nuclear submarines is false and planted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.103.243.226 (talk) 20:17, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

China has nuclear armed submarines but nuclear powered submarines are still in the design phase. It all hinges on weather PRC can buy plans (or even complete units) for early Russian naval nuclear reactors Jenga3 (talk) 05:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Lineage[edit]

Several lineage designations are wrong, they are not based on the time when the sub was made but the capabilities (silence, depth, top speed/silent speed, ordinance, sensors etc). The Indian Arihant submarine is third generation, the Astute is a fourth generation sub (technology and performance is superb), the Graney (Ash) class submarine is 4.5 generation, possibly 5th generation considering the current level of technology (unless some revolutionary technology crops up somewhere else). Keep in mind speed of fourth generation submarines is 25-40 knots, range must be only limited by food supplies, modern silencing methods must be used (top silent running speed) etc. They don't have to be nuclear and I think Norway has a non-nuclear sub which fits into the 4th generation category but I could be wrong Jenga3 (talk) 05:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


List of Countries with Nuclear Subrmarines[edit]

What about making a list of Countries which employ nuclear submarines and include the various classes, number of subs, names of subs etc. This article seems very short... 84.226.83.207 (talk) 20:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC) [reply]

China claims to have nuclear powered submarines but experts believe these claims are false. They show Xia submarines (in reality a Diesal one) from far and claim it is nuclear. In addition also stuff placed on the net on China's nuclear submarines is false and planted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.103.243.226 (talk) 20:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC) [reply]


List of nuke sub classes?[edit]

Is there a list of nuclear submarine classes ? 70.29.215.25 (talk) 23:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Accidents[edit]

The list of accidents doesn't appear to be in any particular order -- not by date, not be vessel name. I'd suggest ordering it by date.AAAS employee (talk) 14:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another note: the "K-129" listed does not appear to have actually been a nuclear sub. The one that was the subject of a salvage attempt by the CIA was a diesel-electric sub. inclusivedisjunction (talk) 21:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it necassary to have the reference to what a CND activist thought of the incident? It's not neutral information on the subject at hand (and based on a single photo is not adequate grounds for making certifiable claims) and I'm sure they and others had a few things to say on the other incidents, which have not been given here. It seems to be giving undue prominence to one particular political viewpoint (and one outside the political mainstream of the two involved nations). --WarpGhost (talk) 19:19, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the accidents listed here could happen to any kind of submarine, not necessarily a nuclear one. Indeed, most of the controversy around nuclear power regards its safety. Why not separate the accidents into those caused by failures in the nuclear propulsion system, and, separately, those caused by everything else (accidents that could happen to any kind of submarine). Heck, I'd argue that we should only list on this page accidents related to the nuclear propulsion system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.111.84.45 (talk) 01:18, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The accidents section looks fine to me. It is not too long. No need for trimming or separating out different types of accidents. Johnfos (talk) 01:04, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Generation[edit]

The classification of subs based on Generation will be misleading. Since it may be considered to be on comparative basis. So it's better to classify them in terms of years like from this year to that year etc. That will present a neutral viewpoint.Bcs09 (talk) 03:16, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The classification is the generation of submarine for that country. It is POV for users to decide what generation a submarine is compared to others. For instance, the Charlie class submarine, which you listed as second generation, is most certainly not in the same league as the Triomphant class submarine or French Barracuda class submarine, both of which you listed as second generation. Space25689 (talk) 01:01, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely it's a POV to decide which generation of one sub is comparable to the other. So I will remove generation to sort out the issues of POV.Bcs09 (talk) 02:12, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would also like to point out that the Charlie class submarines were Soviet not Indian. Space25689 (talk) 17:35, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This page specifies the nuclear submarines operated by the nations and Indian navy operated the soviet built Charlie class submarine.Bcs09 (talk) 02:12, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Your recent change has made some improvements and seems rather neutral. The generation classes were pretty pointless. Space25689 (talk) 03:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Include the under development?[edit]

There is a list of under development submarines but they are all of countries that already have other nuclear ones. I am not sure if it would be relevant here, but it is possible to include countries that currently operate no Nuclear sub but have already oredered one. e.g. Brazil will have exactly the same Barracuda class mentioned to France in the article. Should we include Brazil?201.58.169.29 (talk) 10:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No. David (talk) 21:01, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Submarine reactor refueling[edit]

The claim that current generation submarines do not need refueling is obviously wrong. While current British Astute & US Virginia classes do not need refueling (due to being powered by reactors using weapons grade fuel), other modern designs still need refueling. The soon to be launched French Baracuda class needs refueling every 10 years (reactor uses commercial grade fuel). The reference given seems to be in regard to British Astute submarines only. From that you can only claim that current generation British submarines don't need refueling. 144.139.103.173 (talk) 13:50, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so what edit do you propose? This could say that some current submarines don't need refueling, or it could identify which ones (U.S., UK, I don't know about Russia). NPguy (talk) 02:16, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Australia[edit]

I think it is premature to list Australia. It will be many years before Australia gets nuclear subs, if it does at all.--Jack Upland (talk) 04:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've just made some minor stylistic changes. However, I've just read the above comment, and I think this is a valid point. Technically, at the moment, there is only a proposal that Australia gains nuclear-powered submarines. 58.171.239.100 (talk) 23:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Map of operators[edit]

I believe a world map of operators may be useful for the article. Maybe a colour for active users and then for countries with them under construction?

Unfortunately I Wiki through my phone so this is beyond me! Lankyant (talk) 00:44, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How exactly would you like the map to display? Are you asking for countries that have nuclear subs or nuclear subs under construction? I am a bit unclear what you are requesting. Perhaps with a bit more detail we can get the type of map you would like. Jurisdicta (talk) 22:56, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for being unclear. I would like a map of all operators. But obviously some nation's don't operate but only have them under construction so the map would have to be two colours - one for operators and one for nations which have them under construction.

But for simplicity sake a simple map of current operators would be perfect too. Lankyant (talk) 00:34, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brazil[edit]

Brazil is now operating a nuclear submarine, as of january 15th 2024. Semduvidas1 (talk) 16:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, it doesn't. NPguy (talk) 20:33, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MSN check this then, lol Semduvidas1 (talk) 22:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think so. I don't read Portuguese, but a google translation of that source includes this: "and the manufacture of the first Brazilian nuclear-powered submarine, scheduled for completion in 2029 and launch in 2033."
Trappist the monk (talk) 22:58, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]