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- 1 The new Nupedia
- 2 Old discussion
- 3 Ready for past tense yet?
- 4 Nupedia vs. Wikipedia
- 5 What happened to Nupedia?
- 6 Is Nupedia getting started again?
- 7 3 Years
- 8 What does this mean?
- 9 Whois data
- 10 Nupedia articles
- 11 Bomis, and Jimmy vs. Jimbo
- 12 Was Nupedia a wiki?
- 13 Removed text on editorial process
- 14 Parallels between Nupedia and featured articles
- 15 Is there a new Nupedia?
- 16 25 ARTICLES
- 17 Bloat
The new Nupedia
I've maked a new Nupedia. Unlike the original, this one is a wiki. Just try it here: nupedia.wikia.com/wiki/ If you want to make a Wiki, try Wikia:Special:CreateWiki. We on Nupedia hope to make over 20 000 articles. Bad News Live 1982-87 (talk) 11:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Nupedia is a failure. Since Jan 2001, 10 (ten) new articles appeared, 9 of them being `brief versions', and one `medium-lenght'.
Policy says that you have to be PhD to contribute, but maybe, as an exception, they'll allow you to write even though you aren't PhD. How many contributors do they expect ?
We should forget about Nupedia and add some quality assurance features to Wikipedia. It's much better to have 50k good articles and 50k reasonable-quality ones instead of 1k excelent articles.
It's just another Cathedral vs. Bazaar issue. -- Taw
The reason Nupedia is having trouble right now is that we've had trouble convincing academics that it is indeed a bona fide cathedral. If we were to convince them of that--which I think we will, eventually--you'll see just how wrong you really are (that Nupedia is a failure).
I am 100% opposed to adding "quality assurance features" to Wikipedia that involve making it harder for people to edit articles. Wikipedia's freedom is its quality assurance. --LMS
I agree that calling Nupedia a "failure" at this point in the game is incredibly short-sighted. It's actually quite remarkable what it has already accomplished, and it gives every indication that it will accomplish much more. The existence of Wikipedia and the Chalkboard will help a lot; I think one more thing that would help a lot is to drop the focus on short articles--it's much easier for authors to produce longer articles, and they will get more reward out of doing so. Shortening them can (and should) be done by proficient editors with expert consultation, not by the authors themselves. --LDC
one thing to check when counting nupedia articles is the "in progress" bin - I think there were more than 50 in there when I counted the other day. Speed-to-completion is an issue, but it looks like it's moving rather than standing still --MichaelTinkler
Maybe Chalkboard will change things, but if Nupedia were going to continue to work the way it's working now, it would fail. Examples of QA features that can be added now to wiki:
- Button mail me all changes to this article
- Make adding References more popular than it is now.
Wikipedia freedom is the most important QA, but it needs some help to scale up. Most important problem now is that if someone screws existing article on niche subject, chances are high that nobody will even notice for a long time. --Taw
- I think there are ways to prevent this last point. You can search for two things:
- 1) articles which haven't been accessed in a LONG time. This will catch articles that have never been peer reviewed.
- 2) articles which have been only ever edited by less than N number of people. This will catch POV articles written by one person which were never peer reviewed.
dave 17:51, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I feel the same that we judge quality of articles that we're knowledgable about thinking that in other areas is the same.
As for Nupedia, maybe they are just waiting for us to finish ;-)
This article has a lot of basic information missing:
- What was the final article count in terms of what Nupedia produced?
- What were the policies about signing up for Nupedia?
- What were the requirements for being an approved author?
Fuzheado 09:49, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Check the web site in its last archived state:
- I count 68 articles in progress and 23 "complete" as of June 2003; the last "completed" article was posted in October 2001. --Brion 10:08, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- I recounted and came up with 74 in progress, 24 complete (27 actually, but three have both "brief" and "long" versions). Two completed articles finished the process after 2001. --Michael Snow 19:47, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I'd like to see in the Wiki article the list of subjects Nupedia articles were written on, and if they have all been adopted into Wiki or not? Also, have they been improved afterwards? Do you think that would be a good addition to the current article? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 14:24, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Ready for past tense yet?
So when do we start changing all the verbs to past tense? Anthony DiPierro 14:54, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Nupedia has been offline for 160 days. Half a year offline time is enough for me to think that nupedia is history. — Sverdrup (talk) 15:01, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Nupedia vs. Wikipedia
Nupedia is a former version of Wikipedia that became offline about a year ago. Any stories about Wikipedia?? I hope Wikipedia never becomes offline. Any time in history when it almost did?? 126.96.36.199 17:33, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- The closest we've come in the time I've been hear was around this March - before we got the squids. One of our database servers (Geoffrin) was dead, and the other (Ariel?) was running at 100% constantly. Page loads took a minute or more. Since then, we've bought *a lot* of squids (25 or 30) to ease the load. →Raul654 18:35, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
What happened to Nupedia?
Um, what happened to Nupedia? Why has it gone down? I just heard about it a few days ago, and was wondering why it's disappeared now.
- Nupedia is dead because people lost interest in the project long ago. It's offline because the server it had been hosted on was not properly backed up, so the database was lost when it was cleaned and reinstalled after a compromise. (This was on a Bomis machine, not one of ours, in September 2003... well over a year after the project died for all intents and purposes.) If anyone had/has alternate backups, nobody's cared enough to dig them out and put it back online. --Brion 03:05, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)
Is Nupedia getting started again?
I got an email saying that the Nupedia website is now available at a new URL: http://nupedia.8media.org/
- This link seems to be dead. Consider removing it from the article. --Jeremy.Visser 2005-9-10
- Is this legit, or is it some sort of scam/spam? --Flow 22:24, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Seems to just be a historical mirror, to archive the site. The contact page doesn't work. -- user:zanimum
- Looks like spam to me -- user:Cwg999
So in the span of three years, only 24 articles had been completed? I'm surprised Nupedia didn't die out or quit within the first year. Is there a list of articles that had been assimilated into Wikipedia but orginated from Nupedia?
- Yes, see Wikipedia:Nupedia and Wikipedia, particularly Articles copied to Wikipedia. I know the answer is quite late, but it's there in case other editors want to know. Graham 09:26, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Nupedia's limited content was assimilated into Wikipedia. Resistance is futile.13:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
- We are the borg, you will be assimilated. Your content will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile188.8.131.52 (talk) 18:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
What does this mean?
"Much of the missing functionality had been mocked using underlined blocks of text that appeared to be hyperlinks, but actually were not."
- Apparently so. We need to find a reliable source written by someone who actually saw a Nupedia article, though... all of about six people? – Qxz 00:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there a good reason for half of this article to be taken up by a copy-and-paste of the WHOIS data for the Nupedia.com domain? I removed it, but it seems to have been put back. I don't see the need for it, especially not in an encyclopedia article. The only things it gives you that aren't in the article already are the contact details for Bomis and Register.com, the names of Register.com's DNS servers, and when the registration expires, none of which should be in an article on Nupedia – Qxz 00:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
For the sake of those who are curious (such as myself) is there any objection to mentioning what the 24 Nupedia articles were? I think it's pretty interesting. In fact, from what I can tell, I'd consider it almost humorous just how esoteric those 2 dozen were. Also, from looking at the list on Wikipedia:Nupedia and Wikipedia, I count more than 24. Is there a mistake somewhere? -R. fiend 03:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know about the 24 articles. However, Sanger says "Nupedia had published approved versions of only about 25 articles, although there were many more (I vaguely recall over 150 drafts) at various stages in process.". If no one objects I am going to replace the actual "74 articles" (which is not referenced) with "about 150 articles", in the lead section. Poderi (talk) 14:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Bomis, and Jimmy vs. Jimbo
In paragraph three of the history section, second sentence, "Due to the collapse of the internet economy at that time, Jimbo Wales decided to discontinue funding for a salaried editor-in-chief in December 2001, and Sanger resigned from both projects soon thereafter." I noticed the use of Jimbo, instead of Jimmy, whereas the previous and subsequent references were both to his proper name, Jimmy. I began reviewing the history, to see if this had been changed, and not noticed, to find that the previous reference was to Bomis. Can someone help verify whose name actually belongs there? Tzalumen 05:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'm fairly certain it's Jimmy Wales, and not some other member of Bomis. I made the change back to Jimmy a few edits ago, and hope that it stays that way--not that I don't like the nickname, but such an edit makes sense for consistency's sake. ACityInOhio 07:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Was Nupedia a wiki?
It is not clear to me, based on the definition of "wiki" is Nupedia was a wiki or not. What would Ward Cunningham say? How should we state this now? -- 184.108.40.206 05:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hi. I dont think it is a Wiki tx.--Darrendeng 05:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
- Indeed. Nupedia was not a wiki, because it worked through a peer review process, and didn't allow editing by anyone – Qxz 00:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
|“||Nupedia was not a publicly editable wiki||”|
. Then, could this be changed to "Nupedia was not based on wiki technology at all" or something like that? I am here because a friend of mine had the same confusion after reading the above sentence. It is not clear whether Nupedia used wiki technology where pages are editable only by trusted users. (like in wikimediafoundation.org) --Jacob.jose (talk) 13:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Removed text on editorial process
Hi! I've removed:
- However, the reviewers evaluating drafts of an article generally would have no special expertise regarding the article's subject. Reviewers were identified by screen names, and although there was a facility that allowed reviewers to post their bios, many did not; thus, the expert who was writing the article was often obliged to modify it, based on comments from effectively anonymous reviewers, with no way of knowing their qualifications. The process was also different from Wikipedia's because the expectation was that reviewers would criticise the articles without actually editing them. As the number of participants in Nupedia was so small (many orders of magnitude smaller than the number of participants in the mature stages of Wikipedia), there was generally no dialogue between people with knowledge on the article's subject.
From the article as I had some significant concerns with it as written. My major concern is the it was unsourced, and that as I had reason to question several key claims in the piece, I'm inclined to suggest that it desperately needs them. :) I'll see if I can dig up some sources, and I'll add it back if I can, but for the moment I felt it was better left out. - Bilby (talk) 03:16, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Nupedia is now an important historical phenomenon. Nupedia site's build/improvement may not be urgent, but merits a detailed description and assessment of the historical chronology and outcomes of initial and iterative visions. As a teaching tool, this site has the potential to teach students about how Wikipedia came to exist. KSRolph (talk) 01:23, 1 September 2011 (UTC) 01:18, 01 Sep 2011 (UTC)
Parallels between Nupedia and featured articles
Would Wikipedia's featured article process be considered the spiritual successor of Nupedia? For example, consider how Wales and Sanger originally envisioned Wikipedia as a drawing board for Nupedia articles. But now instead of going through Nupedia review, they go through ⊕ and then ★ review. So if Nupedia were still alive and kicking today, would it have 4116 articles that look a lot like those listed at Portal:Featured content? Or is there a big, documented difference between how the featured article process works and how Nupedia's review was supposed to work? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 01:52, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Is there a new Nupedia?
I looked up nupedia on google, and this was one of the websites that came up. It turns out this is a new Nupedia! Unfortunately, it said it was just a test site. nunupedia.sourceforge.net --TZLNCTV (talk) 21:44, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yes. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nupedia#External_links 220.127.116.11 (talk) 19:48, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Why Wikipedia comparing to Nupedia is so overwhelmingly overbloated with its rules? Nupedia rule is simpler. As long as you do not gibberish and do not adulterish, as long it's ok. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 13:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)