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Why[edit]

Why do I get a strong feeling the author lives in an assisted living home?

The entire 'what is a nursing home not?' wording is VERY confusing. --168.56.111.51 6 July 2005 20:22 (UTC)

I made a few changes to this page if anyone has any questions to why i did so please feel free to ask I feel that a lot of the info that was on there was misguided and there was at least over half the info that was incorrect or poorly written all my changes do have the sources to back them up so feel to check if you like. if there is any question please feel free to ask. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tazman1989 (talkcontribs) 01:17, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Article Introduction[edit]

What is the source for this information, included in the introduction to this article: "In the US, nursing homes are required to have a licensed nurse on duty 24 hours a day, and during at least one shift each day, one of those nurses must be a Registered Nurse." --Austin Matthews 20:07, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Addition of text by 195.92.67.65[edit]

The following addition was made 05:12, December 13, 2005 by 195.92.67.65 : There is often cases of horrific abuse and human rights infrigements in these kinds of placements in which it is extremily difficult to give evidence of that abuse. Over 95% of nursing homes fall below the standard set by authortities. See elderly abuse This was added to the introduction and the same text was inserted as a seperate section. Is this necessary? --Austin Matthews 06:48, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


Copyright infringment[edit]

The whole "What is a Nursing home not" section appears to be a copyright violation of this site. Deathawk 00:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Difference between SNF and nursing home[edit]

The author seems to be confusing a nursing home with an assisted living facility (ALF). Typically, the terms 'nursing home' and 'SNF' are used interchangeably in the industry. However, each state determines the difference between a SNF and an ALF.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/skilled%20nursing%20facility

http://www.helpguide.org/elder/nursing_homes_skilled_nursing_facilities.htm

http://www.calregistry.com/housing/snf.htm

http://www.ohca.com/docs/medicare_coverage.pdf

(from the above Medicare booklet on SNFs, under "To find out about the SNFs in your area," one of the bullet points states: Look at www.medicare.gov on the Internet. Click on Nursing Home Compare. You can find a list of all the nursing homes in your area and general information about every Medicare- and Medicaid-certified nursing home in the country. It includes nursing home inspection results, the number of nursing staff, and resident information. Call the nursing home to find out if it provides skilled care. If you do not have a computer, your local library or senior center may be able to help you.

I don't have time to learn the citation customs on Wiki, so hopefully someone else will correct this.

g7f7

Make New Page for non-US homes[edit]

This page needs a lot of work in organization and coherence.

First step in that direction would be separating the US home information from other country's. (Apples/Oranges deserve their own pages.)

Second step would be to place reliable information into logically organized categories. Don't want to step on toes/bruise egos, but the organization of contents does not make sense or build reader understanding.

Agreement needed before proceeding with organization and content overhaul.

Afterlaws 21:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that the US information needs its own page, rather than having one page for the US and one page for everything else (which would be horribly skewed). So perhaps nursing home itself being should be a summary with "Main article: XYZ" sections leading off it. This current article is so overwhelmingly US-based that it's almost funny - for example, I'm British and while "nursing home" is a common phrase here, I don't think I've ever heard "skilled nursing facility" before - it may be used in specialist jargon for all I know, but it's not used in everyday language. All this American stuff makes the photo of a Czech home looks strangely out of place. Loganberry (Talk) 14:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Skilled nursing facility is definitely a bit of jargon. In everyday situations, you'd say that your very elderly grandmother was in a nursing home. I believe SNF originated with the government and insurance companies, who needed a way to say "we'll pay for medical needs, but not for basic housing." SNF is used to indicate that it provides actual medical services and isn't just a single-room occupancy hotel or assisted-living center. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Tomorrow's Guides (talk) 11:16, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Are there any objections to the inclusion of an External Link (UK section) to the web resource: www.carehome.co.uk ?

I know Wikipedia isn't keen on too many external links but the website is the only complete database of every UK residential care service, kept up-to-date in collaboration with regulatory body the Care Quality Commission. Visitors to Wikipedia looking for information on care and nursing services should find the link useful if they happen to be groping in the dark on the availability of the services close to them.

a) If the site is not WP:SPAM which I haven't checked. ".co" is not a good start!  :)
b) Should not be located in article under UK subsection. Could be located in externals as separate subsection: *UK then **external underneath.
c) We are really not trying to "help" anyone. We are merely trying to inform the general audience as to the nature of Nursing Homes, not find one! We are not a help manual. We are trying to be an encyclopedia. "Helping" might be better located in a .com site. Student7 (talk) 21:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Tomorrow's Guides (talk) 12:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC) Thanks for your reply and perspective. I understand where you're coming from but I really don't see what the difference is with the External Links that are already part of the article. The carehome.co.uk could itself be viewed as an extended encyclopedia of the UK residential care sector, with a much wider range of information than that of charity Age UK - which is the current link under the description 'guide to care homes' but has relatively little info on care homes in comparison and is much more about fundraising and volunteering.

History[edit]

I'd like to know more about the history of nursing homes as an industry. We do it for countries, so why not for industries as well? 68.32.48.59 (talk) 04:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Appel's views on nursing homes[edit]

Regarding the reversal of the recent deletion of Appel's comment. I dislike Appel as much as the next guy, but that doesn't mean that any one editor should delete his Wikipedia presence without good reason. As long as he's being cited for the content of his columns as evidence of his views, rather than the factuality of his arguments, then he's a perfeclty legitimate source Crayvella (talk) 23:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

The "good reason" for removing the many additions of Jacob Appel's views is lack of sourcing. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary sources, not links to Appel's blog posts. Reference Appel's views being quoted in TIME or the NYT, not just the Huffington Post. And just because someone has prolific and uberpromoted opinions does not mean he or they belong in Wikipedia. Flowanda | Talk 06:40, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

About the definition for the term.....[edit]

--222.67.207.131 (talk) 02:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

--222.67.207.131 (talk) 02:20, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Merge CHSLD[edit]

The article CHSLD is a stub, basically defining that a CHSLD is a nursing home in Québec.--UnQuébécois (talk) 21:49, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks more like WP:SPAM. There is an Afd in process. Student7 (talk) 14:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't agree that it's spam, but I also don't favor a redirect of CHSLD to this article. If there is anything unique about nursing homes in Québec, it could be added to this article, but I think the article CHSLD should simply be deleted, as both a definition and an unlikely search term. --MelanieN (talk) 23:35, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Split article[edit]

The article has become too US-Centric. I am going to split it up into 4 articles: one is the lead for this one, plus pointers to Canada, UK, and the US (esssentially). The other three will be articles called (awkwardly) Nursing Home (Canada), Nursing Home (UK), and Nursing Home (US). The latter will contain most of the article that didn't get left here. "Nursing home(s) in the United Kingdom" sounds funny. Don't know whether to use singular or plural.

The split in the US article will allow us to deal with the new material at the top which clearly needs to be merged with the material that is already in the article. No sense in trying to include two other countries when we can't even make an organized article for one country. Student7 (talk) 17:34, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

I've split the article into 4: Nursing home care, Nursing home care in Canada, Nursing home care in the United Kingdom, and Nursing home care in the United States. Care is too low down in implementation to have many similarities between countries in details. Please use country article when possible. Student7 (talk) 23:18, 22 July 2014 (UTC)