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- 1 Country vs. Nation
- 2 Area??
- 3 Weird Wording
- 4 Name: Nuuk vs. Godthåb
- 5 Greenland
- 6 Protected/unprotected
- 7 Big rush!
- 8 Oops
- 9 Coordinates wrong...
- 10 "Norwegian name"
- 11 Pop
- 12 I'm not a vandal!
- 13 Western Settlement?
- 14 WikiProject Greenland
- 15 Greenland was a Norwegian colony?
- 16 So is it part of Europe or North America?
- 17 File:Nuuk stadion.jpg Nominated for Deletion
- 18 Unexplained Explosion Event
- 19 Godthab, Godthåb, or Nuuk
- 20 Godthaab 1
- 21 ENGVAR
- 22 Old Nuuk
- 23 " the northernmost capital in the world"
Country vs. Nation
According to the article on Greenland and the article on the Danish Commonwealth, Greenland is a semi-autonomous country within a kingdom. Therefore, the info box on Nuuk (and possible other towns / cities in Greenland) ought to be changed to reflect that the nation is 'Kingdom of Denmark', the country is 'Greenland' and the province is 'Sermersooq'. Merely considering Greenland a 'province' is an insult at best, seeing as how the strive for independence is progressing. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 19:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Greenland has no provinces; it has municipalities. 'Nation' is invalid as a top subdivision label. Perhaps its replacement (with the value of 'Kingdom of Denmark') could be discussed in Talk:Politics of Greenland. All infoboxen can be changed in no time, but I think you should seek resolution to your proposal there, rather than here. − Algkalv (talk) 20:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Like he said, you're actually the one who is confused about nation. The Greenlanders could easily be considered one and have legally had that status since 2009; meanwhile, they belong to the country of Denmark. The British muck this up by continuing to consider their former polities "countries", admittedly: thus you get the idea of constituent countries. Suppose they were just jealous of how the Americans had mucked up "state". — LlywelynII 13:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
The wording seems off. Is Nuuk really 635,000 square kilos? That is almost the size of Texas. If that is the case then 15,000 people spread out over the size of Texas is nothing. Or are all the 15,000 in one community and the rest is open land? Can someone clarify this?? 22.214.171.124 (talk)eric —Preceding comment was added at 06:50, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, that wording is off. Texas weighs much more than 635 metric tons (mostly from the chili cheese dogs).
- As for Greenland having ridiculous city sizes, see municipalities of Greenland. — LlywelynII 03:34, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
"...The city was founded in 1728 by the Norwegian missionary Hans Egede, and given the name Godthåb (Good Hope). However, Hans Egede had arrived at a place he called Colony of Hope close to the already existing Inuit population living in Kangeq. At this time, Greenland was a Norwegian colony under the Dano-Norwegian Crown, but the colony had not had any contact with Norway proper for more than two centuries..."
This paragraph seems very confusing to me. When Hans Egede arrived, he found *no* European colonists at all, right? The Greenland "colony" only existed as a legal construct by 1728 -- the old Scandinavian colonists were long gone (dead, assimilated, whatever) and essentially all Greenlanders were Inuit when he arrived. Intentional or not, this paragraph seems to imply that some vestige of the European colony still survived when Hans Egede arrived. I wouldn't dare edit such a vigorously monitored article myself, but I'd like to request that the current active author(s) revise this paragraph for clarity. Please! 126.96.36.199 (talk) 09:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
- I just patched up that section, but fwiw — nah — he found plenty of European colonists: Danish whalers liked to warm themselves up by burning his settlements. — LlywelynII 13:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Name: Nuuk vs. Godthåb
"Nuuk" is the most commonly accepted name for this city in English ;it is listed by Lonely Planet guides as being the common name of this city.Vancouverguy 00:33, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- The city's name is Godthåb. Finito! I know this better than you, Sir! (Please see the swedish wikipedia: Godthåb, not "Nuuk")
- Just like Königsberg's name is Königsberg (and not "Kaliningrad")
- Not in English. Nor does the city itself officially accept the Godthåb name. --mav 00:38, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- This is the English version of Wikipedia, not Danish therefore the names as they are known to English speakers are used. Vancouverguy 00:38, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Or indeed this, an official publication of the Danish Government: http://www.denmark.dk/servlet/page?_pageid=80&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&_fsiteid=175&_fid=48229&page_id=1&_feditor=0&folder.p_show_id=48229 -- The Anome 01:31, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Greenland is commonly known as Kaallit Nunaat in foreign countries such as france. By Courbit
- So? — LlywelynII 03:32, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
I protected Nuuk. Hopefully in the right form (ie - not redirecting to Godthåb). Angela 00:41, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Thanks, protect Godthab as well.Vancouverguy 00:42, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- As well, protect GodthŒb or delete it.Vancouverguy 00:50, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Deleted it. -- The Anome 01:30, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Wow a huge rush of talk on the talk page!... and still the article has gained no content since the initial stub in May 2002... looks like I am going to have to try to knuckle down and help out here! Pete 07:18, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Damn...I put it at Nuuk because that's the official name of the place since home rule in 1979. It's too bad people who know more than I do don't add to the page rather than fight about something they could confirm in five minutes... John
I tried looking up the coordinates on Google Earth and they point to the southern tip of Greenland...the lat/long are definitely not correct! --Michael
- I also tried that. They seem to point reasonably accurately to Nasarsuaq, maybe they have been swapped.
Someone included Godthåp as a Norwegian spelling of the name. This spelling is not used in Norwegian, it is called Nuuk or Godthåb (see nn-wiki and no-wiki) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barend (talk • contribs)
- True. That is because the spelling reform of the Norwegian orthography/-ies that changed the spelling of the word håp from its archaic form Haab were enacted many decades after Norway's ties with Greenland were severed following the Dano-Norwegian defeat in one of the Napoleonic Wars. And so one could say that the City of Nuuk and the Norwegian language have gone their separate ways owing to the irks of history. // Big Adamsky • BA's talk page 15:47, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
- Or that they simply have little to do with each other since Godthaab was founded so long after any Norwegian presence. ;) — LlywelynII 03:29, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Population, anyone?188.8.131.52 23:10, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
- Please add population information of Nuuk!
- 14.501 in Nuuk town (01.01.2005) According to Greenland Statistics, and 14.874 in the Municipality. Jens Nielsen 07:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not a vandal!
Please don't seem every editing as vandaism!
- So sign in and sign your posts. =) — LlywelynII 03:28, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
- It was an old Norse colony on the same fjord. Separate article now, though. — LlywelynII 13:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Greenland was a Norwegian colony?
It says: Greenland was a Norwegian colony under the Dano-Norwegian Crown,. On the Greenland article it says nothing about that, and I couldn't find information about it neither. --JHF1000 (talk) 21:53, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- It should be fixed, but the iffiness here is that Norway's claim was entirely nominal. There wasn't real administration and the last contact was around 1400, not to be resumed until the 1700s. When Denmark asserted sovereignty, it did so under the aegis of the Norwegian claim and even passed Iceland and Greenland to Sweden as part of the Treaty of Kiel. Then Sweden didn't do anything about it and Denmark simply kept it all. [I think newly-independent Norway signed an agreement at some point with Denmark relinquishing its claims to the settled parts, but they tried to claim east Greenland as Eric the Red's Land as late as the 1930s and got smacked down by the League of Nations. I can't find any legitimate reason for that, though, so if you find any, please add them to the relevant articles.] — LlywelynII 03:24, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
So is it part of Europe or North America?
In the main Greenland article it states that Greenland is part of North America.
In this article it states the city is the northernmost capital in Europe.
- The Greenland article goes on to say that: "Though physiographically a part of the continent of North America, Greenland has been politically associated with Europe (specifically Denmark–Norway) for about a millennium.". --Saddhiyama (talk) 08:23, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
- Europe here meaning the European Union, which is a little specious since it's technically not a member and the IA is running as fast as it can away from Danish culture. But since Denmark is European and still technically sovereign, it's somewhat understandable. — LlywelynII 03:19, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
File:Nuuk stadion.jpg Nominated for Deletion
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Unexplained Explosion Event
Nuuk is listed on the list of unexplained explosion events as having had an event December 9, 1997. This seems worthy of some sort of notation, but I'm not sure how to add this without screwing with the current flow of the article. Darker Dreams (talk) 06:40, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Godthab, Godthåb, or Nuuk
- You didn't say why? Why do you think it is better to use a Danish name than a Greenlandic? (And just for the record, it's not a diacritic. Å is a separate letter.) 184.108.40.206 (talk) 12:04, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- It's not Danish either. — LlywelynII 03:10, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose. First, since 1979, the name is Nuuk; as of 2009, Danish isn't even an official language on Greenland any more.
- Second, as 95... pointed out above, å ≠ a. Prior to the Danish orthography reform and continuing among English-speakers who don't use diacretics, the proper version is and always has been Godthaab. (Of course, after the reform, that makes it look Finnish, but that's another issue.)
- Third, if we're really insisting on ignoring not just the official name but the Greenlandic name and the Danish name as well, the English name is Good Hope or Goodhope or even Baal's River, but not "Godthab". And of course, that's silly OR and pointiness since the English common name is now Nuuk. — LlywelynII 03:09, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Speaking of Godthaab, though, this book – Mirsky, Jeannette. To the Arctic!: The Story of Northern Exploration from Earliest Times. Univ. of Chicago Press, 1998. – seems to say that the original settlement of Godthaab was on Nipisat Island and relocated across the strait to the mainland along Ikertooq Fjord. On the other hand, it might just be bad wording and mean that Egede helped establish a whaling station on Nipisat and then returned to his home on an island in Godthaab Fjord, which settlement was later moved to the mainland.
edit: This paper – Marquardt, Ole. "Change and Continuity in Denmark's Greenland Policy" in The Oldenburg Monarchy: An Underestimated Empire?. Verlag Ludwig (Kiel), 2006. – more clearly states that the first Godthaab was on Nipisat and the nearby mainland, before its abandonment in 1730. — LlywelynII 05:57, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
- Ok. They were just misleading worded and Paarss rebuilt the Nipisat settlement; but the relocation and renaming were definitely at Kangeq and modern Godthaab. — LlywelynII 12:53, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
I have noticed there is an article on a neighbourhood in Nuuk called Old Nuuk. But a neighbourhood like that does not exist. There is a historic Neighbourhood in Nuuk ,called Kolonihavn. It is North-West of the city centre, and forms the northern part of the supposedly existent Old Nuuk. The neighbourhood contains the Statue of Hans Egede and the Hans Egede House, as well as Nuuk Cathedral. I propose the deletion of the Old Nuuk page and the creation of the page Kolonihavn instead.Kuba.greenland (talk) 17:22, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
- You are probably best proposing a move at the Old Nuuk talk page. No need to delete the existing article. noq (talk) 17:38, 28 December 2012 (UTC)