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History? Origin? Anything?[edit]

Can we please get some actual history and origins for nyotaimori and nantaimori? Feminist critique isn't relevant to a wikipedia article. I was hoping to find how widespread, how common, and how old the practice is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.61.198 (talk) 18:13, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

the currently used sources are obviously *not* of encyclopedic quality. In other words, the samurai claims are quite obviously pure bullshit if only because sushi in it's modern form (Edomae zushi) was created near the end of the edo period, several centuries after samurai infighting had ceased. The cizo.com Japanese source seems to have done some pretty decent research, (including documenting that before refrigeration it would have been just too dangerous to serve sushi on top of a hot body), and it's claim should be used instead, which that this appeared during the 60's in some hot spring cities where competition for customers in an soaring economy led them to develop various adventurous sexual services to lure them. --Jmdwp (talk) 20:38, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Might actual history be politically correct? Null catch invalidation! Who would document eating sushi off a peer? For the same twisted reasons we photograph our meals to boast our health when, poo represents a better picture and abhor cannibalism. Yet, the persistent goat gets the goose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.0.150.5 (talk) 01:42, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A Short Poetics of Cruel Food has all of one paragraph in it on nyotaimori which reads as follows^[1]:

The cruelty of Japanese nyotaimori, which translates as “female body presentation” and is also known as “body sushi,” consists in its humiliating treatment of the model from whose naked body the food is taken. Its piece-by-piece removal by diners mirrors the objectifying mode of the striptease in that more of her body is revealed as more sushi is eaten. Unlike the stripper however, who might be said to control the revealing process, the model is entirely at the mercy of her consuming audience. At best, the practice reduces the model to the status of receptacle who must endure the discomforts of ogling, banter, and prodding with chopsticks. At worst, she assumes a status equivalent to the other commodified flesh with which her skin so closely merges. Unsurprisingly, nyotaimori restaurants are popular in organized-crime circles.

To me this reads as biassed against sex workers, orientalist, and it does not provide a citation for the popularity of organized crime --Cravatitude (talk) 00:07, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I want to weight in on this that the article still seems very anti in its weight almost like criticising objectification of women against their will instead of a practice that's freely done by both sides. The wording around "rules" also make it sound like there's strict decorum in behaviour. For instance the chopstick part mentions that touching is often prohibited but from what I know traditionally only skin to skin contact is prohibited and chopsticks are quite regularly used to touch and prod a geisha. There's also not usually any etiquette about conversation with personal bodily remarks of the subject and her body being discussed as standard. Biofase ^flame| stalk 17:30, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Strong, Jeremy (2011). "A Short Poetics of Cruel Food". Educated Tastes: Food, Drink, and Connoisseur Culture. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press. pp. 168–189. ISBN 9780803219359.

Image accuracy[edit]

The models in these photos are all wearing g-strings. This seems to be a Westernisation as traditionally a geisha would not wear anything on her body and while food may be placed as strategic covering these may often be the first to go. Biofase ^flame| stalk 17:08, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Strong, Jeremy (2011). "A Short Poetics of Cruel Food". Educated Tastes: Food, Drink, and Connoisseur Culture. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press. pp. 168–189. ISBN 9780803219359.

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