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Comments[edit]

shouldn't [Ponos] be poine?

Close and probably cognate, but a different word. Bacchiad

The section discussing Nyx as portrayed in Homer includes a statement which, while true on the surface, is greatly misleading. Generally speaking, Zeus's power is never conceived of as absolute. Using the same source, Zeus's inability to alter the will of the Fates is promoted by numerous deities and accepted by Zeus himself (however reluctantly); Zeus's respect for the strength of his own brother, Poseidon, is also acknowledged when the two elementals nearly come to blows, before Poseidon reluctantly accepts his (only slightly) subserviant role before Zeus). There are other places in myth where Zeus is also limited in his abilities or the conception of his abilities are limited by those believing in him (this is especially evident in the story of Thetis, whom Zeus feared to have a child by because of his concerns that he would be overthrown (as was prophesied in various accounts) by the offspring born of such a union which was destined (again, according to prophecy) to be stronger than the father. Consequently, I am removing the "offending" quote.

Modern Homages[edit]

My edit concerning Nyx in Persona 3 was replaced, removing most relevant information about her appearance. Can it be reverted, or rewritten to include a more complete summary? Gr3yfxx (talk) 08:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Redirect[edit]

Since it doesn't make much sense for the main "Nyx" article to lead to this page, I've moved all the content of this page to that article. Most things named "Nyx" are named after this goddess, and where they are not, readers can refer to the NYX disambiguation page. Godheval (talk) 16:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Note: comments above this point were from the Nyx (mythology) article that was cut-and-pasted to Nyx on August 6, 2008. I have merged their histories. Cool Hand Luke 15:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Mythological Nyx and Disambiguation[edit]

Since almost everything named "Nyx" on this disambig page was named for the Greek goddess/concept, a search for "Nyx" should lead to her page, with a link to a disambig page. "NYX" in all caps will still lead to the disambig page. Godheval (talk) 01:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Upon further consideration, it doesn't make sense for "Nyx" to lead straight to Nyx (mythology), when it can be the article in itself - for the reasons above. Godheval (talk) 16:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

vandalism[edit]

Someone should probably fix this article, given that the introduction of it is a promotion of someone's crappy book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.173.83 (talk) 23:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Why is it all about the House of Night?[edit]

Okay, I've just recently read the third book to the House of Night series and everytime I try to look up Nyx on how to worship her, I just get a load of crap stating that Nyx is like the Goddess of cults and gangs and evil.

So as you can see, I want to know how to worship her. I've been trying to find out on the Internet. I don't get it. My friends think I'm turning into some devil worshiper that kills chickens and burns the bodies. Nyx is not like that. And I think that this un-named god and "Jesus" just sit around like hypercrites and have a list of people who are going to hell. I don't have any problem with witchcraft of wicken religions. Some people do. The first commanment in the Christen religion is "Tho shalt not worship any other God but me". Can you say jelous and controling much? The whole thing is stupid. I get critisized by going into another religion when I don't give a flying rat's butt about their's.

That is all I have to say on this subject.

98.166.219.78 (talk) 00:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)--98.166.219.78 (talk) 00:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)Lizzy P.

lol wut Blue Danube (talk) 04:34, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Parentage of Thanatos[edit]

In this page, Thanatos is listed under Nyx's sons by parthenogenesis. However, on Thanatos's page, his father is said to be Erebus. Also on Thanatos's page is a picture of "Thanatos with his half-brother Hypnos (who is also listed as a son of Nyx by parthenogenesis). Can anyone resolve this issue? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.151.70.200 (talk) 17:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Several comments are needed[edit]

This article is mediocre and it needs some fixes. I would like to point out a few things.

1. "Nyx stood at or near the beginning of creation, and was the mother of personified gods such as Hypnos (sleep) and Thánatos (death)."

If no source is available, I would remove this sentence. Hypnos and Thanatos are listed later on with a source.

2. "This mirrors the portrayal of Ratri (night) in the Rigveda, where she works in close cooperation but also tension with her sister Ushas (dawn)."

Is this a comment? If this has to do with Indian mythology, then let's spell it out. I don't see the connection otherwise.

3. "In other texts[citation needed] she may be the mother of Charon (with Erebus), and Phthonus "envy" (with Dionysus?)."

This is garbage. There is no source. I would remove it.

4. "There is also rumor that Nyx gave birth to her reincarnation, a son whose name would also be Nyx. But she gave birth to twins, having a daughter as well, who was named Hemera, "Day". The text implied that Hemera was not the sister of Aether, but the sister of Nyx's reincarnation."

Are we going by rumors? Does it matter what the neighbor says about mythology now? If no sources are available, the above is useless.

5. The list of Nyx's children is not very appropriate because it does not list the children by source (Hesiod and others). It's like a laundry list. I think children should be split according each source.

ICE77 (talk) 04:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't know why, but this article attracts a steady stream of half-infomed contributors and outright vandals, so I'm not surprised by its poor state. I'm only vaguely familiar with the subject, enough to revert the most obvious nonsense. Obviously, anyone who can improve the article is most welcome. A formal/technical note: the hatnote you repositioned ought to be at the article's top. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Original myth[edit]

The original myth about Nyx, the beautiful goddess of the night is that she was born of Chaos which took place after the egg of Phanes hatched (see: creation according to Greek myth) alongwith her five siblings ....

Reverting as I'm skeptical of the assertion that one account is "original"; this replaces a passage that at least is sourced (to Hesiod). Also, what does it mean that "Chaos took place"? —Tamfang (talk) 19:07, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Her birth from Chaos took place, ya dope. —Tamfang (talk) 05:34, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Your skepticism seems warranted to me, as does your revert. "Original" is always a poor word to use with reference to mythology, and that quote is reflective of an Orphic cosmogony: there is already a section (unsourced) covering Orphica.  davidiad.: 19:44, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Species[edit]

Why is she called a goddess? She was a deity, yes, but she wasn't classified as a "god". theoi.com even calls her and her kin "Protogenoi". I mean, the Titans weren't called gods either, and they're even younger than the Protogenoi. 91.177.145.108 (talk) 18:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

This touches on a wider issue which is probably better discussed at Talk:Greek primordial deities. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:29, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Morpheus[edit]

Why is she Morpheus listed under Nyx's sons? Isn't he the son of Hypnos? Ovid mention at leaste three sons of hypnos: Morpheus, Phobetor and Phantasos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.203.115.43 (talk) 03:52, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Children lost[edit]

Over a series of edits on 8 September, the section "Children" was removed. Unless it was blatantly wrong, there's no reason to remove it and it should be restored to its state in this version from 29 July by User:Paul August. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:49, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure we really need such a section. The children mentioned by Hesiod (with cites) are already listed. These are the "main" ones. The Orphic tradition is also touched on. But if we do add back that section it needs to be carefully sourced. Paul August 11:52, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
I only thought that the disappearance of such a long-standing section ought to be well considered. If you think it's problematic and unnecessary, I defer to your expertise. All the best, -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:14, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
That's my current thinking anyway ;-) One of the problems, as I see it, in a list like that, is the lumping together of — and thus confusing — different traditions. Paul August 14:27, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
I agree, Paul. I'm all for simplification, but not if it misrepresents the topic. I just noticed your tagging of the assertion that Phanes is a "child" of Nyx; which I can't confirm or deny, but the language - "child", "parent" or what have you - may not be appropriate to topic; almost certainly not for Nyx/Phanes. We seem to be dealing with some dreadfully difficult Orphic stuff ; Nyx and the world-egg (or Nyx as the world-egg), from which Phanes (or Eros) emerges as first progenitor, and then comes a whole sheaf of cosmic destructions and recreations - the following is the simplest presentation I've come across; [1]. (Nyx is mentioned only once - more results with "Night" and "Semele"). Haploidavey (talk) 21:38, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Nyx being the "mother" of Phanes could be by way of Phanes being identified with Eros. In any case, I was just looking at that section in passing — it needs work. Paul August 23:15, 10 September 2013 (UTC)