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Fair use rationale for Image:Ostan98-mechbox.png[edit]

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External link does not work[edit]

The link for trouble windows translations leads to a working page, however all sections lead to server errors. Delete the link? anger2headshot 02:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

xp-tan animation[edit]

I would add this to the article, but it's of unknown origin, perhaps someone knows more?

http://stage6.divx.com/user/Corne/video/1065260/hentai

[not hentai in the least, btw]02:04, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Group image caption[edit]

The caption of the group picture does not match the caption given when you click on the picture. Aside from variations (they should be merged into something better than either), they are inconsistent. I do not know enough about the subject to correct them. Would someone please fix them? --64.186.168.178 23:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

References[edit]

It is always very hard to find references for internet phenomena; this is inherent in the subject. Internet phenomena are not usually the focus of scientific research and no papers are published about them. Most articles that you can find on the Internet about such phenomena lack sources themselves and this makes it nigh impossible to tell whether what is said is a fact, an opinion or a fairy-tale. That said, this article is in desperate need of references; otherwise it might not survive a future deletion review, which would be a pity. 82.139.85.81 00:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

"Other"-tans[edit]

What about those? There exists one for Wiki and Firefox. KyuuA4 16:09, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

There are lots of OS-tans that are not included in this article. The list was in fact once much longer, but it was shortened because too much of it was original research and unverifiable. The ones listed in the article are the most notable and verifiable. Its difficult to add more because there are really no official source for os-tans, and depictions vary greatly from artist to artist, especially for os-tans outside the Windows family. But, the list doesn't really need to be exhaustive, and probably shouldn't be since most wouldn't be notable enough. The list we have now serves to give specific examples, and thats all it really needs to do. Additionally, there is already a wiki for os-tans, so it can provide readers with whatever this article may lack, and contributions to that wiki need not be bound by Wikipedia's standards.Nimrand 01:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Let's add these to the See Also section.

archive old talk discussion[edit]

Hi, this page is too long please archive any old discussion threads. Benjiboi 02:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Newly added OS-tans[edit]

Three new OS-tans were just added. Is there concensus that these three should be included? We had an extensive discussion about this not that long ago and a lot of the OS-tans were deleted. I just don't want people to keep adding to it indefinately. -- Nimrand (talk) 18:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Sources[edit]

I noticed from the deletion discussion about sources in relation to this article. Recommend getting some links and dumping them here -- OR -- using them in the article.

Here's a sample, but it's not usable as it makes a direct reference to this article itself: http://www.wired.com/culture/design/multimedia/2007/04/gallery_mascots?slide=10&slideView=1

KyuuA4 (talk) 07:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

There have been constant sourcing issues in this article, and honestly I can't see why this article was kept yet again. While there are some sources there, they hardly source much and some of them I think are still questionable. For example the existence of a flash cartoon is being used to support conjecture about its place in os-tan history. Conclusions are being drawn and theories put forth for which there is no reliable source.--Crossmr (talk) 18:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
With a further look at these sources there doesn't appear to be a single reliable source about OS-Tans other than the wired article which references this wikipedia article (which makes its a questionable source at best). I notice in the previous Afd, there were lots of claims of how wide spread this was, but everyone failed to pony up some sources to back up those claims. The link itself hardly qualifies as significant coverage as required by the guidelines [1].--Crossmr (talk) 02:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually Ohzora had published a book based on the OS-tan. There is another from Pink Company. Both sources had been located, and the main site was updated to reflect the change. --Jacob Poon 05:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

tan descriptions a bundle of OR[edit]

There is a lot of opinion expressed in these descriptions. A lot of editor opinions about what usually is done with them, a lot of subjective statements about how they're drawn, etc without any citation. Looking at a few pictures of each one and making a judgment call about what is usual, common, or why something is drawn a certain way is blatant original research.--Crossmr (talk) 02:43, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I suggest that we remove all the content in the examples section, and replace it with specific examples of published OS-tan drawings, and discuss details about only those examples (not how various os-tans are drawn in general). Unless we can find a suitable reference (which probably only exists in Japanese, if at all), its seems to be the only way to fix the OR issue. Also, I would suggest reducing the size of the list. Four should be enough, two example windows os-tans (which seem to be the most common), and one example os-tan for each of Linux and Mac.Nimrand (talk) 01:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
The entire article needs to be removed, and I can't believe how many editors are completely blind to that. We still have all this time and we can't find a reliable source about them to establish notability. Any other article and it would have been gone a long time ago. Frankly this is kind of embarrassing for an encyclopedia that tries to hold itself to some standards and yet we hold on to some tired internet meme for which there aren't any sources.--Crossmr (talk) 10:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I think this kind of article BELONGS on Wikipedia, otherwise people like myself would have to scour the less reputable internet sites in order to figure out what people were talking about. I mean, seriously, don't you guys realize that Wikipedia is expected to have information on everything? I realize that may not be quite what it was originally intended to be, but for better or for worse, this place IS the first go to for many things. Sadly, not all of which are actually here because of people saying it isn't worthy of having entries. Insofar as the descritions go, I do agree they're fairly Original Research, but I think it's time Wikipedia realized that valid third party resources aren't always going to be an option.--68.111.243.35 (talk) 16:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Regarding recent deletion of Windows 95 OS-tan image[edit]

I'm not following on why this image in particular was deleted. Reasons showed "No Justification" for the use of the non-free image. I wouldn't bring this to attention if it weren't for the fact the other OS-tan images, such as XP's and ME's, are equally at fault for it. Was there a reason other than the given one for the 95-tan image specifically to be deleted? If there wasn't, I humbly suggest bringing the image back if it's at all possible. Likewise, though I'm strongly against it, I humbly suggest deleting the other images as well unless there's some special case of exceptions I'm not seeing. King Arthur6687 (talk) 00:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Image rules are really complicated. I'll fix the ones that are still here. --Phirazo 00:52, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Deleted OS-tans?[edit]

I recently noticed that CE-Tan and Windows Server-Tan were recently deleted and a discussion request was made to discuss on whether or not they should be addded.

My reasoning for adding them is that they are listed in the Canon-list of OS-tans on the OS-Tan wiki site. Are there any objections to re-adding them? Dasmarinas71 (talk) 20:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes. At one time, we had a VERY long list of os-tans in the "List of OS-Tans" article. However, because of a lack of citations available, some proposed the list of OS-tans should be deleted. After much discussion, it was decided that list should be shortened to a nominal list and merged with this article. The editors warned that the list should be kept short. So, I think we should not add more OS-tans unless there is a strong compelling reason to do so, or if there is some sort of reliable source that can be used to provide information about the os-tan. As it is, all the information in the description of the various OS-tans is OO, and every additional OS-tan added just adds more OO. My suggestion is to treat the list of OS-tans simply as examples, in the way that you might use specific paintings as examples of an artistic style, rather than an exhaustive list. To that end, I believe four OS-tans is plenty. Nimrand (talk) 15:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

The Page is still missing quite a few OS-tans, i dont see Solaris-tan, Ubuntu-tan, Ipod-tan, BlueBerry-tan, Firefox-ko, Shockwave-ko, and Macafee-ko. - Meomix 122.103.250.45 (talk) 04:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Some of them are mentioned in Moe anthropomorphism for an overview over anthromorphic personifications in manga/anime. I fear, that some (or all?) of your examples don't fit in the current mindset of most writers of the OS-tan article. I don't know for sure. --Yamavu (talk) 20:21, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

-tan?[edit]

Don't all of them have shortened names that go with "-tan",like ME-tan and XP-tan? If so,we should include them 23:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.15.12 (talk)

Introduction[edit]

A little trivial, I know, but who decided on the wording in the intro to say "It is important to note" bla bla bla... important according to who? Couldn't we just say something along the lines of "OS-tans predating these include..." or something similar? Geqo (talk) 06:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. In the future, I would encourage you to be bold and just go ahead and make these kinds of prose corrections, unless have reason to believe that the change would be controversial.Nimrand (talk) 20:50, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

About XP[edit]

I think we have her wrong. That XP seems to be proffesional,not home. 01:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.15.12 (talk)

Actually, I was going to say that her description sounds wrong in general. The issues such as bloating and using up resources and such sounds more like a description of Vista, at least from my experiences.--68.111.243.35 (talk) 16:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Try to think back to when XP was new. -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 21:20, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Question about the current list of OS-tans[edit]

Is there any reason or speculation as to why there is no character personifying Windows NT?--Kencaesi (talk) 18:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah i'd like to see Windows 3.11-tan as well. She's kinda popular too :/ --171.16.208.2 (talk) 10:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Windows 7 pic deleted[edit]

The OS-tan pic of Windows 7 was deleted due to copyright/no fair use. However, as an 'official' mascot of Japanese Windows 7, there is no free equivalent, since the character is copyrighted. Any ideas on a compromise? Sera404 (talk) 01:57, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Wait, someone is actually copyrighting these characterizations and images? I thought they'd all been made up by places like 4chan and 2chan. Some sources of information about that would be good to include in the article.--68.111.243.35 (talk) 16:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Read the article. The Windows 7 OS-tan isn't like the rest, because it's an official mascot created by Microsoft. The article specifically mentions it being the first time a company has created its own OS-tan. 24.214.230.66 (talk) 10:00, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Grammar, WP:NOTAFORUM[edit]

The word OS-tan is being used as a plural noun too often in this article, but cannot be considered as such because there are also singular uses of it. Please watch your grammar while editing this article.
Also remember that this talk page isn't a forum. I removed one thread not complying with that.
Thank you.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:51, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Essays[edit]

We simply can't link to Wikipedia essays in encyclopedic articles. I don't think I can really say anything besides that that'll add anything.--Yaksar (let's chat) 05:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

WP:Wikipe-tan is not an essay as it is not marked as such. It's in the project namespace only because Wikipe-tan is an unofficial mascot of Wikipedia and thus related to the project, but read the page-it's actually a full encyclopedia article.Jasper Deng (talk) 06:02, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
It's in the project space precisely because it is not an encyclopedia. Plenty of topics related to wikipedia have their own articles because they are notable enough, while the Wikipe-tan entry is not structured as a notable, verifiable encyclopedia article. But I do apologize for labeling it an essay, I was wrong.--Yaksar (let's chat) 06:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Still, as it's also a moe anthroponism (don't know how to spell), it should be listed here, perhaps as a piped link.Jasper Deng (talk) 06:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, the spelling of that always trips me up too, no worries. But I don't see how a piped link could possibly make it more acceptable.--Yaksar (let's chat) 06:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't see why the Wikipe-tan page is not encyclopedic because it contains all the components of an article. I don't see how that could not be acceptable.Jasper Deng (talk) 06:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
It's not an article, and doesn't hold up to the standards of notability, verifiability, and all the other policies and guidelines required to exist.--Yaksar (let's chat) 07:02, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Huh? It's notable and verifiable within the Wikipedia community. Given that that page links to this, I don't see why you're so inclined for it not to link.Jasper Deng (talk) 07:04, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
That page can link to whatever it wants; it's not in the article namespace so anything can be added (you'll note it's full of user made pictures, templates and user boxes for editors to use, etc. Articles, however, have much more stringent requirements of what they can link to.--Yaksar (let's chat) 07:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Can you reference a WP policy?Jasper Deng (talk) 07:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Manual of Style (self-references to avoid)--Yaksar (let's chat) 07:15, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
However, the page is not actually about the project, but something very related to this article.Jasper Deng (talk) 19:05, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
If there was an accepted article on Wikipe-tan, there would be no issue with linking to it in an article. But basically, unless the article is actually about something that information from the project space is needed to explain (for example, Deletionism and inclusionism in Wikipedia there's no acceptable reason to link to it. Sorry.--Yaksar (let's chat) 05:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Windows 3.1x[edit]

Some controversy is going on in the Windows 3.1x section. According to the article on Windows 3.1x, Windows 3.1 is an operating system even though it does not have its own kernel and depends on MS-DOS. Is this a fair statement? If we're going to disagree then the Windows 3.1x article also needs to be changed. -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 20:57, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Silverlight-tan?[edit]

Microsoft's Taiwan intro to Silverlight shows a mascot, presumably Silverlight-tan. Should this be added too?--Quatroking (talk) 22:35, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

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