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- 1 Dead Links Gone
- 2 Uses
- 3 Height/diameter, etc.
- 4 Oak tree
- 5 Brass Screws and Oak Shelves
- 6 On oak....oak..thats well a no brainer..=P
- 7 Fallen oak
- 8 Londonderry
- 9 Oak Trees
- 10 Cultural Significance
- 11 Oak versus Quercus?
- 12 Cyclobalanopsis to Quercus
- 13 TREES
- 14 Food Source
- 15 Oak wine barrels
- 16 Average life span
- 17 NPOV
- 18 Hearts of Oak
- 19 Truffles
- 20 No picture of a full oak tree?
- 21 Section: Subgenus Cyclobalanopsis
- 22 famous oaks
- 23 Oak leaf wine
- 24 Magick
- 25 B-Class criteria checklist
Dead Links Gone
I would like to see some information on how high oak trees grow, the diameter of their trunks, etc.oak trees cn estimated to be morethan 1000 years old
- I also would like to know how high these trees grow. Seems like it should be fairly typical information. Or, should I say it seems odd that there is discussion at length as to the various properties of each tree's acorn (something used to differentiate species) but nothing about the other more obvious physical property, its height, which a layman would be more likely to find interesting/useful.
cool I only want to add a comment to the editors...not post an edit to the web page,
I am looking for two specific pieces of information regarding trees that I am having difficulty finding:
1. Information on how to germinate tree (Oak) seeds (acorns). Maybe you could include a section on the germination process.
2. The vast listing of a given type of tree (say Oak again)...would be really nice if your experts would provide a way to differentiate (say from bark or leaf type) between Red, White and Blue and Black Oaks.
An email would really be appreciated if anyone knows this type of info
- Sorry, but Wikipedia is not a "how-to" guide. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, number 8.
- On List of Quercus species, there are several distinguishing features given for each section in Quercus.
I came to this page through the "tanning" process also described on wikipedia, and wondered how tannins were historicly extracted from oak bark, and what exactly that process is called - Thanks, Florian
- The lifespan varies between species. Typically oaks live for 200-600 years, but the oldest Pedunculate oak, for example, is about 1500 years old. SCHZMO ✍ 11:52, 18 April 2006
This oak article doesn't tell me about how long oak wood burns and what sorts of stuff are in the sap and.....umm....stuff..I am soo dumb..
Brass Screws and Oak Shelves
Boy, be careful trying to use brass screws in oak. Make sure to drill large enough pilot holes first (almost the diameter of the screws themselves) or you'll snap the screw heads right off when you try to turn the screws, even if you screw them in by hand. Trust me!
On oak....oak..thats well a no brainer..=P
honestly I don't get why it doesn't say in this article what kind of stuff is in the sap that makes it burn for point blank amount of time...And also why you guys are chatting about oak on an online encyclopedia...thing.
Do we have any use for pictures of the oak that just fell over in my front yard? Actually it was a double oak which would have made a nice picture. Unfortunately we only have a few pictures before one fell over. --Metallurgist 19:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I would like some idea of why nothing will grow under an oak tree. IE: grass/shrubs. Is it because of the roots, lack of sun/rain from dense over head or some organic reason. 184.108.40.206 14:45, 2 June 2007 (UTC)Laura W.
The oak can be used as part of the common name of any of several hundred species. The oak is a decids and evergreen species. They can live in cold latitudes of the tropical Asia and Americas. Oaks have spirally arranged leaves.
Oak versus Quercus?
It seems to me that there should be two separate articles...one for Quercus, dealing with the botanical and taxonomy stuff on the true oaks, and another for Oak dealing with cultural, historical, and ethnobotanical sorts of stuff; I am currently working on just such a split for Ash/Fraxinus.
Anyone have strong feelings on this, or can anyone point me to any pre-existing discussions of this sort of problem in dealing with cultural versus botanical issues? Note that this would help deal with Larry Dunn's issues above. --starfarmer*comm 03:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- I just found some data at Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(flora)#Article_title that seems to validate this basic idea:
Plants that are sufficiently significant economically or culturally should be given a page describing their use, history and associations, with their common name as a page title. Example: coffee. Simultaneously, a separate page titled with the plant's scientific name should be created; this would be the place for botanical descriptions and relationships. Example: Coffea.
i use to love this page. but it has no new info like it use to. i have started useing other website. but i will cheak ack and look again later please have new informaton. thaku. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
i really would like to no if the trees eat anything to live. im doing a project and need to no. my teacher told me not to come to this website because it was bad info and it sorta is. so can u tell me the habitat of oak trees. thaku
ilcheak back later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- Splitting oak and Quercus is probably necessary, given the depth of each topic. ENeville (talk) 15:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Cyclobalanopsis to Quercus
Somebody has written to Talk:Cyclobalanopsis:
"It is ONLY the Flora of China that treats Cyclobalanopsis as a genus. Almost all botanists incl. the ones responsible for the genus Quercus consider it a subgenus. In my opinion Wikipedia should follow the currently most common opinion and add Cyclobalanopsis as a subgenus of Quercus."
I agree on this. For example, Angiosperm Phylogeny Website (http://www.mobot.org/mobot/research/APweb/welcome.html) and any of the taxonomy databases (like http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/taxonomyhome.html/ and http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/tax_search.pl) do not support the genus Cyclobalanopsis. Krasanen (talk) 17:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC) And my understanding is that Cyclobalanopsis is treated as subgenus also in Japan. Krasanen (talk) 06:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering what kind od tree that you can sit under and watch water drip from it. It has leaves like an oak tree. Its not a weeping willow or willow of any type. this tree you can actually see the water drops, almost like rain drops. thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 19:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
There are many cultures that ate acorns by boiling out the tannins and eating the nuts or grinding them into flour. This would be a very important part of the article, as well as the article on Acorns. Here are some links to start with. They are not sourced... I will come back soon and add to this article if no one else does. Just wanted to get the ball rolling.
A place to start: 
How it works: 
Oak wine barrels
Does the article really need so much detail about the subtle differences different types of oak barrels make to the flavour of wine? Surely that information that would be better off in an article about winemaking. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 08:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Average life span
variance of age
I have read of some in the 200 range (e.g http://www.arborday.org/treeguide/treeDetail.cfm?ID=156 California White Oak in arbor day database) but each oak specializes in different ecologies, so it varies. I read a thick book of trees that noted that breed lived a short life as Oak go, in trade it grows excellently in drought regions.
There is a famed tree that lived to about 1000 years old before a lightning storm killed it. (east coast US, "wey oak" article) One in Wales got to 1200 before storm winds killed it (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311612/Wales-oldest-oak-tree-1-200-years-toppled-60mph-winds.html)
There is a copse in California (article from NY Times http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/05/science/05clone.html) that is either about 200 years or 13000 years, depending on your opinions on how life continues - that one clones itself.
I think the arborday database could be used somewhat, but if I were to try to make a graph of the variance by species, it would count as original research and should not be published here as first-source.
When discussing the Biological Species concept under the hybridization section, the article loses a neutral point of view and uses very biased language. The Biological Species concept is the most robust and well supported/accepted species concept.188.8.131.52 (talk) 04:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Removed your tag before seeing this. Have added a couple of citation needed tags to unsourced WP:OR? sentences. Vsmith (talk) 04:29, 4 November 2009. (UTC)
Hearts of Oak
The Royal Navy relied on the supply of oak trees for its ships in the Age of Sail - hence the song Heart of Oak. This is the reason that the navy's ships were sometime referred-to as 'the Wooden Walls' as they protected the country against possible invaders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 10:02, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
The statement "Truffle (fungi) have symbiotic relationships with oak and beech." is all kinds of sloppy. There are hundreds of species of truffle, and while some of them do indeed have symbiotic relationships with oak, and some with beech (one does not imply the other), and others with many other types of tree. I am revising this accordingly.--Ericjs (talk) 20:55, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
No picture of a full oak tree?
- The thing with oaks is that they are quite variable in their looks. Some oaks don't even look like the "typical" oak. I think it's OK not to show it, as the article is about the genus, not a particular species. Mayor of Yurp (talk) 19:56, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
The fact that there are pictures of the tree's wood and barrels made of oak to me signal that there can also be pictures of the actualy tree - any oak tree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 06:01, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Section: Subgenus Cyclobalanopsis
This is a dead link and I'm unsure which page to replace it with. But from this page it seems (to a layman) that Flora of China treats Cyclobalanopsis as a subgenus of Quercus. Thanks. Spicemix (talk) 21:02, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
There is probably a better place to raise this, but there is marked inconsistency in Wikipedia between using common and scientific names as subject headings for biological topics. I wonder why this is not headed 'Quercus' with a re-direct from 'Oak'? I think all plants should be primarily listed under their proper names - is there any discussion on this as policy for Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 17:29, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Oak leaf wine
The use of the word "Magick" in reference to Pre-Christian Religious Rites in Oak groves is apocrypha and misleading. In Spiritual and Religious terms the word Magic when spelled with a "k" (as in: "magick") refers, as the page the word "magick" hyperlinks to states, to "Thelema" and Alistair Crowley which are 20th Century Post-Christian Spritual Constructs, not Pre-Christian Celtic Polytheism. A rough analogy would be an explanation of a Presbyterian Synod and the hyperlink for Presbyterian Synod goes to a page describing the Catholic College of Cardinals. I would have made the change myself but the page is locked.
- Changed the word to magic and pipe link to Magic (paranormal). Vsmith (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
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