Talk:Oblasts of Russia

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Opening heading[edit]

It would nice for this to be expanded with a history section. I'm not familiar with this topic though. Could anyone do this? Falphin 03:19, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Actually, there is an article on history of the administrative division of Russia. While right now it only covers a portion of the 18th century, I do intend to add more. History of oblasts will be there eventually (I have most of the information, but it needs to be summarized, structured, and cross-verified, which is very time-consuming). Let me know on my talk page if you have any specific questions; I'll be glad to help.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 12:18, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

oblast = region?[edit]

I'm seeing several Russian websites translate oblast to read 'region'. A lot of articles on wiki will replace the word, rather, with "province". What is correct?--Lvivske (talk) 19:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

They are both correct. While "oblast" is an English loanword, it is still an obscure one, so in translation it is often approximated with words like "region", "province", or similar. However, "oblast" is the only term that conveys the meaning of the word "область" exactly and does not create any ambiguity. "Region", as you can imagine, can refer to a multitude of things, many of which have nothing to do with oblasts; same, albeit to a lesser extent, goes for "province". This kind of ambiguity is unacceptable in an encyclopedic article, which is why we are using the strict term.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:37, June 4, 2009 (UTC)
Alright, makes sense. Question then: if the wording of a formal name (in my case, a hockey team name) is always область, but recently the new english (albeit, shoddily translated) version of the official site is using "region" in it's place...do i stick with what's cited or with oblast?--Lvivske (talk) 04:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
When a word like "oblast" is a part of a name or a title, then, as per the WP:UE guidelines, you need to take a look at that name as a whole. If there is a name under which the team is widely known in English, then that name is what we should be using. If English usage is limited to the version shown on the team's website, then, no matter how shoddy it is, it's what we should be using as well. Literal translation of the name is something that should only be used as a last resort (and in a situation like this one it would then make sense to use the proper terminology and to use "oblast", not "region" or "province"). Hope this helps!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:14, June 8, 2009 (UTC)

Chita[edit]

Why is Chita crossed out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.177.105.69 (talk) 06:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

In 2008, Chita Oblast merged with Agin-Buryat Autonomous Okrug to form Zabaykalsky Krai. The entry in this article is crossed out (rather than removed altogether) because the map was not updated properly—oblasts should have been re-numbered, but instead Chita Oblast was simply removed, so there is no #7 on the map. When someone updates the map properly, it will be possible to remove Chita Oblast from the legend completely. Hope this helps.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:49, June 29, 2009 (UTC)