Talk:Ochamchira District

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I hit enter before writing full comment: "rv, this is the article about the district of Abkhazia, which is different from Georgian district of the same, so having Georgian flag here would make the matter even more confusing to the reader" Alæxis_¿question? 09:04, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No do what you want but that entity so called republic is located on Georgian sovereign territory (recognized by UN), district is not hypothetical it is in connection with sovereign territory, so first discuss and then change, I am reverting. --g. balaxaZe★ 22:49, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Putting only Georgian flag is POV since the district is located in a disputed region, is not currently governed by Georgia and which at least some countries recognise as independent country. Also it's not consistent with treating this issue in similar articles (see Sukhumi, Gagra for example) where no or both flags are used.

Therefore my opinion is that it's a better from NPOV point of view not to put any flags in the infobox as I've suggested before. If you don't agree with that I suggest seeking third opinion. Alæxis_¿question? 12:56, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Alex yes we can agree on that, but be honest pushing secessionist Abkhazia view here is not fair thing. I agree to remove both flags but only country should be Georgia.--g. balaxaZe★ 13:38, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with this specific article is that there is no Ochamchira district of Georgia with boundaries as shown, so we mislead the reader (and we also have Ochamchire_Municipality article). As the article itself says "Ochamchira district is a district of the partially recognised Abkhazia... The district is smaller than the Ochamchire district in the de jure subdivision of Georgia", so I'd put it as follows (also considering that in Ochamchire_Municipality we only mention Georgia):

Abkhazia/Georgia^[1]

Alæxis_¿question? 07:58, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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^ The political status of Abkhazia is disputed. Having unilaterally declared independence from Georgia in 1992, Abkhazia is formally recognised as an independent state by 5 UN member states (two other states previously recognised it but then withdrew their recognition), while the remainder of the international community recognizes it as as de jure Georgian territory. Georgia continues to claim the area as its own territory, designating it as Russian-occupied territory.

Requested move 2 June 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. (closed by a page mover) Omni Flames (talk) 04:36, 18 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ochamchira District → Ochamchire District – Requesting move per capital name Ochamchire g. balaxaZe★ 23:49, 2 June 2016 (UTC) -- Relisting. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:23, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My concern about this move is that, even the article for the town is now at Ochamchire, this district is a subdivision of Abkhazia which uses the Ochamchira spelling (vs. the Ochamchire Municipality of Georgia). — AjaxSmack 04:11, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- User:AjaxSmack, that issue is done and we had discussion about it. Same case was with Tkvarcheli and its district. This is not about what Abkhazians call but what is Common Name of the City in English. "Ochamchire District" is not separate name but constructed from two parts "city name" and "district" so city name here must be changed. And that Ochamchire Municipality will become object of debates because I think it is inappropriate, we can merge them here. --g. balaxaZe★ 07:23, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Ochamire is the most frequent spelling. DaltonCastle (talk) 22:38, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: The Ochamchire move was not justified: naming conventions say that raw google counts should be "used with extreme caution" and other than that there were no good reasons for the move. In fact one of the editors in favour of the move was then blocked for sockpuppetry. And in addition to the reason mentioned by AjaxSmack above there are other good reasons to leave the current name: it has more hits on Google Scholar and it's the one that is used by actual people living in the town now. Alæxis_¿question? 12:52, 17 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your arguments have small weight nobody says to actual people living there to speak something different but English wikipedia is not their own web-site to write what they speak.--g. balaxaZe★ 18:17, 17 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is relevant since there is no single accepted English term (see Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Multiple_local_names). And it's the variant that has more hits on google scholar. Alæxis_¿question? 18:23, 17 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

UN accepted Ochamchire as the official name of that settlement. --g. balaxaZe★ 18:28, 17 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

[1] The political status of Abkhazia is disputed. Having unilaterally declared independence from Georgia in 1992, Abkhazia is formally recognised as an independent state by 5 UN member states (two other states previously recognised it but then withdrew their recognition), while the remainder of the international community recognizes it as as de jure Georgian territory. Georgia continues to claim the area as its own territory, designating it as Russian-occupied territory.

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