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Master Spice[edit]

The article says: "Only beer which is brewed within the city limits of Munich with a minimum of 13.5% Master Spice is allowed to be served in this festival." What is this "master spice"? I have not attended Oktoberfest, but German lagers generally do not contain any spices, and that would be an outrageous amount of any spices in any beer. And it would violate the Reinheitsgebot (beer purtity law). Possibly this is in reference to the beer's bittering units (from hops)?

Seems like a translation error, as mentioned in the below Untitled section. 23:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

This might explain Master spice. What I'm getting is that master spice isn't spice at all but actually material loosened from malz and hops. - annonymous 9/21/2012 5:30 AM EST — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:31, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


I HAVE the sneaky feeling that this article (or at least parts of it) have been written by a non-native English speaker, probably a German-mother-tongue writer actually, judging by the style of writing, which I recognise at being typical in places of a German-speaker writing English. U have therefore made some small changes to adjust the tone of some of the writing.

In addition, the only problem during the Octoberfest is certainly not with drunks but also with attacks on women. I personally know one woman who was raped on the grounds of the Octoberfest. Howver, I won't bother adding this to the article as I'm sure some busy body would remove it.

Well: 6.9 Mio. Visiters in 2011 and 5 attacks cases of rape. 2010: 6,5 Mio visiters, 6 rapes. Thats not a lot! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:59, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Nate Silva: Considering the Kitchener-Waterloo Oktoberfest is the largest in North America, I did feel that it was worth mentioning, but do all that stuff agree that there are dozens of them, and cannot mention them all.

If K-W's is the biggest in North America, why does the article say Cincinnati? Well, I guess I'll go change that... Radagast 01:20, Jan 21, 2004 (UTC)

Blaukraut translates to Blue Kraut, no such thing. Rotkraut would be red cabbage. (talk) 00:59, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Well spotted, but it IS Blaukraut, irrespective of fact you call it red cabbage in English. By the time it is cooked, the colour is closer to blue than red, so that's why Blaukraut letimiately translates as Red Cabbage. See also the wiki article on Red Cabbage that this links to.Frotronic (talk) 18:43, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

"Rotkohl" iss breisisch, "Blaukraut" iss gut bairisch, or, stated in English, "Rotkohl" is Hochdeutsch, while "Blaukraut" is good Bavarian dialect. ~~theBaron0530, 13Okt11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBaron0530 (talkcontribs) 16:31, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


I just noticed there are some photos showing the Oktorberfest on this article now. However, I think it would be a good idea to tell people exactly where those fests were held, since there's no info about that in the captions or in the images' pages. I know it's logical to assume they were all taken in Bavaria, but since there are several Oktoberfests celebrated in many different places across the globe, I think it would be a good idea to specify location. In the captions, between parentheses, perhaps. What do you think?

I would do it myself, but since there's no info, I can't really know where they've been taken. – Kaonashi 00:56, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

All three photos look genuinely from Munich to me. Simon A. 8 July 2005 10:19 (UTC)

Wrong pronunciation[edit]

The Oktoberfest is never called "Waasn". "Waasn" is short for "Cannstatter Wasen" in Stuttgart, a similar Beerfest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

In the first paragraph, it says the venue Theresienwiese is called "d'Wiesn" or "d'Waasn" for short. I certainly agree with the first one. However, although being born in Munich, I have never heard "d'Waasn". I would say this is an error and would delete the second variant. 19:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The pronunciation of Maß is wrong. It isn't pronounced with the long a [Ma:s], but with a short one and with a sharp s. Knows anyone the IPA and can correct it? -- 28 June 2005 10:54 (UTC)

I can certainly help here. To pronounce the German word "Maß" just think of the English word "mass" (as in church ceremony) and there you have it. Pronounce "Maß" as "mass" and you've mastered the pronunciation. I have been living in German-speaking countries now for over 12 years so don't bother correcting me on this anyone! Another important word here is the German word "Krug" meaning mug, but well associated with those German beer mugs you see -- a typical cheesy "tourist" symbol of Germany. You can pronounce "Krug" by thinking of the name of the star of the Nightmare on Elm Street movies, Freddy Kruger. OK, lets take his surname "Kruger" and pronounce it. Right?, OK, then drop the "er" from "Kruger" and just say "Krug". Now, if you can slightly lengthen the pronunciation of the "u", lets say that we pronounce it as "Kruu - ger", then you've got it! So, pronounce "Krug" as "Kruu - ger". So "Bierkrug", a German word, is a compound word of "Bier" (German for "beer") and "Krug" (German for mug, as we have just been talking about). So "Bierkrug" is beer mug. Hey! don't say you don't learn anything here in Wikipedia! 00:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)Bibi999

Well, to change a vowel from long to short, simply delete the colon. I did so. Simon A. 8 July 2005 10:19 (UTC)

Sorry, I do have to argue with the pronunciation of "Maß". It definitely is not pronounced like the English "mass". Rather, it is like "fuss", but with an "m" at the beginning. The poster may have lived in German speaking countries for 12 years, but I'm German, so maybe this is a subtle difference that his ear doesn't pick up (nothing personal) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Well, that is one of the disadvantages of Wikipedia ... all the know-alls on this earth all trying to prove each other wrong! The smart arse German who wrote the above comment must appreciate that I am trying to simplify the pronunciation for English speakers who are trying to pronounce the word Maß.

Going on with that (another smart arse German here): It is actually important to pronounce it like "fuss", because the pronounciation is Bavarian German and is often mis-pronounced by non-Bavarians. Side note: The spelling "Maß" would lead people to pronounce it [ma:s] (ß normally denotes a long preceding vowel in opposition to 'ss'), but the accepted spelling of "Maß" as a proper name does not correspond to this. So saying [ma:s] instead of [mas] is jarring in the ear of any Bavarian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Largest outside Munich[edit]

I don't know wheter the largest Oktoberfest outside is Kitchener, Ontario (the article says it is Kitchener, but I can't find any sources), Cincinnati, Ohio or Blumenau, SC, Brazil. PT wikipedia says it is Blumenau. Which of them is really the biggest outside Germany?

Leslie Mateus 8 July 2005 05:51 (UTC)

Altered slightly to reflect the claims of the various festivals and added links to the official sites which have claimed attendance numbers. Kitchener-Waterloo's government representative seems to claim in excess of 1 million for their festival. I cannot translate the Blumenau festival's official page, but I have reflected the 600,000+ number already in the article.

FDeziel 15:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

the largest oktoberfest imitation is Kitchener (700.000 visitors) 2nd is blumenau brasilia (600.000 visitors) or so it says in the german wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:34, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

What's this supposed to mean?[edit]

From a German tourist guide to Munich, about Oktoberfest:

und schon wieder fliegen es nicht mehr gebrauchte Büstenhalter durch die Gegend.

In English:

and once again brassieres that are no more needed fly throughout the area.

What is this supposed to mean? I couldn't find anything about this in the article or the official Oktoberfest website. JIP | Talk 17:54, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

It's most likely not meant in a literal sense; it just refers to the fact that the festive atmosphere and alcohol cause women to be more open to advances. AxelBoldt 17:12, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

I'd say that it is meant in a literal sense, drunken people sometimes are taking off pieces of clothing, so among other things there are also brassieres flying, but this is not essential for the Oktoberfest. 20:37, 22 September 2005 (CEST)

Sounds like one more reason to go to Oktoberfest then. =) Although it is of course no guarantee that such a thing will always happen. JIP | Talk 10:05, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

No, literally, bras and panties FLY. I was at Oktoberfest this year, in Munich, and the guys will surround you and harrass you until you take off bras and panties "for the Oktoberfest Gods". You're basically not allowed to wear them. They will RIP them off iff they have to.

- Kat (

I guess they don't have sexual assault in Germany. MafiaCapo 15:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I read the German press regularly and have never heard of guys harassing women to undress. The women get drunk and are often encouraged. The celebrations attract a big crowd and no one would let that happen, esp. with all the policemen there. In Germany, a woman taking her shirt off at a party is not that unusual. Many newspapers show topless women, and it is not considered pornographic. Americans are widely considered to be prudes. Public nudity is more accepted there. German tourists were recently banned from hiking naked in the Swiss Alps. Germans are famous party animals. BTW, the breast baring occurs outside as well, not just in tents.
In 2010, the government of Munich started preventing the press from publishing pictures of topless women and people drunk at the celebration, but that is an integral part of the tradition. [Bild article]] Bostoner (talk) 03:45, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

There are certain tents that lend themselves to this kind of behaviour, such as the Hofbräu, which has a huge tourist ratio. There are tents with a more traditionally Bavarian atmosphere and where locals tend to go - these still have a high flirt factor, but you won't have the types of experiences described above.

Several cases of rape are taking place every year. Especially the area behind the tents, were drunken people are sometimes sleeping, is pretty dangerous at night time.

600 million[edit]

doesn't the number of visitors in 2002 seem a little high?

- Indeed, its supposed to be 500 or 600 thousand, not million. Changed it.--Vattenmelon 20:07, 23 September 2005 (UTC) Changed it again, it even says 6-7 million visitors under statistics. --Vattenmelon 08:56, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Oktoberfests outside Germany[edit]

How similiar are the Oktoberfests not taking place in Germany? Are there as on the Oktoberfest in Munich many transportable rides or are there just beer tents?

Yes, there are lots of rides.


The beer at the Oktoberfest is not a Märzen, although it's pretty similiar to it. It's a sweet beer with more alcohol and it's brewed by the munich main breweries for the Wiesn only.

True, the beer at the Oktoberfest is Wheat_beer (Weizen)

Certainly not Weizen! Agathoclea 22:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The beer at Oktoberfest is definitely NOT wheat beer (known as Weissbier in Bayern, and by various other names - e.g. Hefeweizen - in other parts of Germany). While it is possible to find Weissbier at the Wiesn, it is actually available at only a few locations, such as the Weinzelt. The beer during Oktoberfest is generally referred to as Wiesnbier - I'm not enough of a beer expert on beer production to explain the difference from standard issue beer during the rest of the year, but you can certainly feel the difference and its effect is more in line with Starkbier, which is released at a different Fest earlier in the year.


The external link to Oktoberfest Shop is just a commercial link and not at all informational. Does that fit with the rest of the information on this page? It seems strange that the first external link is to a commercial site selling steins rather than an actual Oktoberfest celebration.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) .

Sorted. That one tries and get in under of number of webaddresses (=resellers). Agathoclea 15:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Relevance of other Oktoberfests[edit]

The evergrowing list of "other Oktoberfests" is starting to worry me. I have the feeling that this article turns into a linkfarm on the subject. Agathoclea 21:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Irondequit, New York? I think most of the links here - commercial links and little wee celebrations - should go. Should we link to every town that celebrates Halloween next? It isn't appropriate or useful. - Corporal Tunnel 16:13, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Maybe a "largest of which are ..." would suffice. Agathoclea 22:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I think this article should be about Munich, since that's what everyone automatically thinks about when you say Oktoberfest, and that's what the intro says it's about. So I thought I'd be bold, and make a more generic page called Oktoberfest celebrations. I think it fits well here, but we'll see what others think. -Steve Sanbeg 16:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't the official parody, Scotchtoberfest, be mentioned? —Vanderdeckenξφ 19:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

If we don't keep this article about Munich, all sorts of stuff will creep in. Notable non-Munich items could go in Oktoberfest celebrations, although this doesn't seem too notable. -Steve Sanbeg 18:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

There is a reference to the Frühlingsfest being known as Little oktober fest. This is not strictly true. There is indeed another Volksfest in munich in July in the old American neigbourhood called little Oktoberfest. I have not changed the article since I do not live there anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:58, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Purpose of the Holiday[edit]

Glancing at the introduction to see what Oktoberfest is, I have no clue. While very specific, the intro does not say what the purpose of the holiday is. It would be nice if the intro said something along the lines of "Oktoberfest is a two-week festival to celebrate..." Bcem2 20:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Nothing, it is just a fest nothing more, not a holiday and not a celebration of something(maybe beer and life). The first one was for a royal wedding and it was so successful, that first the king and later the city council organized one every year. --Volker —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

200 Year Anniversary[edit]

i think there should be a section for this with info, seems kinda weird that its not there, only 3 years left.

The 200 year anniversary is in 25 years. The year 2008 will celebrate the 175th Oktoberfest celebrations which means that in the year 2033 the 200th Oktoberfest celebrations will take place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Unclear and Unencyclopedic[edit]

"Note: the words 'stein' and 'lager' do not mean what many English speakers think they do so instead use 'Mass' or 'Helles' respectively.

In general, encyclopedia articles should be informative in tone, not directive. Second, this statement it unclear. What do "many English speakers" think they mean? As far as I know, stein is short for "steinkrug" an earthenware mug, lager is a bottom-fermented beer. I really can't see how this sentence is is pertinent or helpful, so I am going to delete it.Mmyers1976 18:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


G'zapft is[edit]

Just noticed that Its says that at the official opening is called G'zapft is. It should be O'zapft is. See official oktoberfest site. Or just compare writing O'zapft in google with G'zapft. You'll notice the G'zapft doesn't exsist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

1980 Pipe Bomb Incident[edit]

Please check to verify the appropriateness of this entire segment in the article. The pipe bomb went off in September, but Oktoberfest begins mid-October. It does not appear to have relevance to an article about Oktoberfest. If is is appropriately placed, perhaps its association with Oktoberfest festivities needs to be clarified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually the festival begins in mid September, running until the first weekend in October. Witness this year's: 19 September to 4 October. (talk) 17:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

+++ A second point to consider: In this segment it says "This was the deadliest terrorist attack in the history of Germany after the Munich Massacre." This is not a factual statement. The Munich Massacre was responsible for the death of 12 people. The pipe bomb incident killed 13, injured 200, 68 of which were serious injuries; which would make it a larger incident than the Munich Massacre.

World's Largest Fair?[edit]

Is there a verifiable reference for the claim. Because as far as I know, the world's largest fair would be Kumbh Mela (Kumbh Fair). It usually has about 60~70 million people attending it. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 23:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know about a reference, but the claim seems accurate. I believe "People's fair" is a literal translation of volksfest. The article you are referring to seems more like a religious festival than a volksfest. -Steve Sanbeg (talk) 18:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I am not sure why you are discounting religious fairs from the list. Religious fairs are also attended by people. A reference for "people's fair" not including religious ones would also do. I won't ask you to add that to article, just want to be sure if we are technically correct. Regards, (talk) 00:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I've looked into it a bit more. On the one had, there seem to be enough references that it is known as the largest festival; on the other hand, I've also found pages (in German) that refer to Kumbh Mela as a volksfest. So it seems that if read carefully, the statement is correct, and it is in fact the largest festival of its kind; but it may be useful to clarify the statement and make sure it's referenced. -Steve Sanbeg (talk) 22:16, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Presently, the article claims the Oktoberfest is the world's largest funfair rather than the largest Volksfest. I am not sure how a large funfair would be defined but I should think it would be one enclosed by a single fence and run by a single organization, probably neither of which applies to the Oktoberfest. It is also doubtful it is the greatest Volksfest. One might argue Christmas and New Year is (or even Easter and many Saints' feasts), especially as the Oktoberfest is not held at a single place, as the Kumbah Mela for example is. In fact in the same sense, wine festivals held throughout the world at about the same time as the Oktoberfest could be considered a single very large "fair". Perhaps there is some description somewhere of the way in which the Oktoberfest may classify as the largest fair of some sort.Skamnelis (talk) 16:09, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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Well done![edit]

I just wanted to express my appreciation to all who contributed to this article. The photos do a fine job of conveying a feeling for the experience (especially the first photo of a Bierzelt). The section on the first hundred years provides an excellent cross section of local and German Zeitgeschichte. The only thing that would have made the article more satisfying, would have been if it were possible to substitute text, such as .., in the year 1866, there was no Oktoberfest as Bavaria fought in the Austro-Prussian War. In 1870, the Franco-Prussian war was the reason for cancellation of the festival. with something like .., in the year 1866, there was no Austrian-Prussian War as the Oktoberfest was celebrated in Bavaria. In 1870, the Franco-Prussian war was cancelled for the festival.

--Philopedia (talk) 13:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Repair Vandalism[edit]

I've removed some rather feeble vandalism but that has left gaps for a few figures - can a more experienced Wikipedian finsh the repair? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:34, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

== pargraph/ article It was a really imforming article.

I just wanted to say that this is all true and I express this article.


you don't have to keep the receipt when buying a souvenir mug - they have a special marking that makes them distinguishable from the mugs used in the tents, and the police & security knows that.

Best, (talk) 17:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

This entire section was full of OR, NPOV, and advertisements (including an external link to a website which sells souvenir mugs). I have deleted this section in its entirety. SnottyWong talk 04:04, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


Some prankster thought it funny to list "Rokeg", a fictional food item from Star Trek lol, as traditional bavarian food. There is no food of this name in Bavaria. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:25, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Modern Festival[edit]

> Since 2005 the last traveling Enterprise ride of Germany, called Mondlift, is back on the Oktoberfest.

Is it just me, or is that cryptic? I assume this refers to a carnival ride? SomeAvailableName (talk) 15:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Alcohol of oktoberfestbeer[edit]

The beer mentioned with 7.5 - 8 % of alcohol is not to be drunk at oktoberfest. It is called "Starkbier" (Strongbeer) and is only drunk in march and april during the christian lent. Oktoberfest beer has 5.8 - 6.3 % of alcohol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickson86 (talkcontribs) 22:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

No beer in intro?[edit]

Is it realistic to have the entire intro of this article not mention beer at all? I've never been to the Munich event, so maybe it's different to all the others. Kayman1uk (talk) 13:22, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Rape and violence[edit]

Every year several rapes take place (mostly behind the tents). Fights are plenty. Are there any sources on this? I could only find the ones in the de article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:53, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Rapes tend to decrease annually (actually some 4-6 real rapes per year since 2006, some additional tries). Fights nowadays are stopped very soon. The occasional flying Masskrug is a potential danger, there always is some dumb drunk finding it funny - but mostly gets caught by police. Tent security and law enforcement (uniformed and plain clothes) is highly aware, numerous and very well trained, the whole fair ground is surveyed by high definition security cameras directly linked to the police station, even the areas behind the tents and the hills nearby are covered. Most oktoberfest-linked (drunk man, drunk girl or - mostly - both drunk) rapes occur on the streets around Oktoberfest. -- (talk) 09:10, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

This is the offical police report to the oktoberfest 2011.

- Crimes (ALL: From stealing a Beer-Glas to fights): 1422

- Crimes agains persons: 379

- Fights with beer-glases: 58

- Group-fights (nmore than 2 people): 120

- robbery: 13

- sexual attacks (for ex. touching at the breast, exhibitionist): 17 (rape: 0)

- theft: 497

Remember this all has happened within 6.9 million visitors! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:19, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Citation needed and exact copy found[edit]

After I tagged several paragraphs with {{Citation needed}} I found exact copies of the text at . It is possible that that site copied wikipedia without attribution but without sources it will be difficult to tell. -84user (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Plain Error (Goat hair HIGHLY PRIZED in Germany, seriously!?): Traditional visitors wear during the Oktoberfest Bavarian hats (Tirolerhüte), which contain a tuft of goat hair. In Germany, goat hair is highly valued and prized, making it one of the most expensive objects for sale. The more tufts of goat hair on your hat, the wealthier you are considered to be. Technology helping, this tradition ended with the appearance of cheap goat hair imitations on the market.[citation needed]. Please can a Wiki editor ASAP correct this error and insert a WIKI link to the already existing article on the correct term "Gamsbart" (chamois hair tuft), a notoriously difficult to obtain hunting trophy. incl. images. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:06, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Harvest related?[edit]

Is there a tie in to this festival with the traditional reality that food was only plentiful during the autumn harvest season, and so large festivals with excesses of food would have to be during this time? I noticed Wikipedia has a page List of harvest festivals where this could maybe be included. Thoughts?

No, it's not harvest related. In former times before cooling units came up in 19th century, it was impossible to brew beer during spring and summer. Beer brewing needs cool temperature. So in spring they used to brew strong beer (Starkbier or Märzen) and stored it in cool cellars. In october, they had to drink the rest of it and started brewing again. In Old Bavaria for celebrating this event they made festivals called Oktoberfest. The Munich one is the largest of all, but there are many others in Old Bavaria. So originally an Oktoberfest is a festival for new brewing season. I think Ludwig and his bride thought it was a good idea to marry when it was time for a brewing festval :-) ManfredV (talk) 11:47, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Replace "dirndl" photo or its caption[edit]

The photo currently purportedly showing "A girl in a typical Bavarian Dirndl" definitely does not show a Bavarian Dirndl, but a modern sexed-up dress very loosely based on a traditional Dirndl.

The Wikipedia page for Dirndl actually shows good examples of the real thing:

I suggest the photo is replaced or removed, or the caption is changed to something more accurate. (The current photo is not entirely inappropriate, since some visitors, not least tourists, do show up to the Oktoberfest in such imitation dresses.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpromber (talkcontribs) 12:57, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


Yet since July 2010 Smoking is no longer allowed in the Tents, every Tent has its own seperated Smoking Area for the Smokers. If you smoke in the Tent, you will be thrown out, if you discuss this, quiet shure.--Bbb-Commons (talk) 13:54, 15 September 2013 (UTC)