Talk:Olaus Petri

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Olaus/Olavus[edit]

The text of the article had references to both "Olaus" and "Olavus", although the latter was not offered as a variant at the top of the article. Since a Google search shows "Olaus" is decidedly more common than "Olavus", I changed all those references (except the first) to "Olaus". Xuehxolotl (talk) 17:36, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Today's edits[edit]

I conformed this article to a few others, adding wikilinks and a references, but don't have time to do the research probably necessary (and using Swedish or Danish sources, including those cited in the article; since my reading knowledge of both has deteriorated sharply over the past three decades) to move this article up a class.

I did correct many inconsistencies, including about the completion date of the biblical translation. Others remain. This article originally labeled the mentor from Gotland a bishop, though Laurentius Petri's article calls him a priest. The Norwegian and Swedish articles cited imply both incorrect, but I don't understand all the long words and don't have the time to consult a dictionary. I initially chose the bishop stance because Olaus probably delayed ordination in order to marry, and thus wouldn't really have been an assistant priest, but more of an administrator. More troublesome is the difference in names (and alleged conspiracy dates) for his treason trial co-defendant, named as Mint Master Anders Hansson in the Vädersolstavlan article featured today and not Laurentius Andreae per this article as recently as this morning. My limited working knowledge of technical legal Swedish also prevented me from adding in the new legacy section mention of the 1908 donation which may have either endowed a chair or scholarship in the University of Uppsala's law school in this Petri's name.

Names remain troublesome IMHO. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America apparently Latinizes the names of both brothers. However, this article uses Gustav not Gustavus Vasa, and the brother's article gives the Swedish form (Lars Persson) in the text (as this does in the first paragraph) while using Laurentius throughout. I used Lars for the brother -- both because that's consistent with his Swedification efforts and to distinguish him from the mentor/older scholar Laurentius Andreae.

Perhaps more importantly, I've also added wikilinks concerning the fluid state of Swedish/Danish politics of the time. I'm still uncertain whether the linked Stockholm bloodbath triggered Olaus' pro-Swedish outlook and alliance with Gustav Vasa, although the nordic materials indicate his episcopal mentor was one of those slaughtered on November 8. The alliance may well have begun earlier (with the Sture party of Swedish nobles), and I don't understand precisely if Olaus' father death in 1521 was rebellion-related or whether he had acted as a restraining paternal influence upon his sons. Clearly, Petri cast his lot in with Vasa two years later (with Vasa's election and coronation). Even the brief Encyclopedia Britannica article online (which I've chosen not to add as a ref) fails to give this man's birth town or presumably aristocratic parentage -- though his brother was born in what's now Sweden's sixth largest city and somehow they had enough money to study in Germany. Gustav Eriksson Vasa was from the old-line Swedish nobility, and he also had a very complex personality -- as his linked article indicates and this article has always hinted without refs. Maybe if someone writes the Gregersson article, it'll become clearer whether Gotland island was Swedish or Danish in that Kalmar Union era (southernmost Sweden was Danish-leaning). I also noticed the Gustav Vasa article says this man married after ordination, and this article vice versa (I think deacons could marry even before the Lutheran reformation; ordination delays were common enough). Also, the Vasa article doesn't even mention the 1536 or 1539 assassination attempt and trial which led to the death sentences and eventual pardons: the first rebellion discussed was in 1542, which may or may not be significant in this man's story. I think the pardon and subsequent appointment was likely a reward for the biblical translation project, but anyone with significant historical refs should be free to correct me. Meanwhile, more work is needed on this article, but I have my own work and chores to do, so just also mentioned these issues on the talk pages for th articles conceerning Gustav Vasa, Laurentius Petri and Laurentius Andreae.Jweaver28 (talk) 04:36, 21 April 2014 (UTC)