Talk:Old School Renaissance

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Retroclones[edit]

I'm not sure if it belongs in the retroclones list. Added anyway - someone else can remove. Neonchameleon (talk) 01:57, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Blogs moved from article[edit]

I removed this section as a thinly disguised linkfarm. Whatever these blogs are, they can't be references to their own notability... moving here to the talk page in case there's anything to salvage from this paragraph. SnowFire (talk) 02:29, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SnowFire: Actually, I'm worried the article has lost something with the removal of the paragraph below. To me the paragraph adds useful timeline information about the OSR movement, e.g. it's very helpful to know that Dragonsfoot was established in 2002, etc. The early OSR movement existed in these communities, so the paragraph tells where as well as when the movement was developing. I very much agree that the paragraph is a bit "link-farm-y", but I'm going to give some thought to how to salvage it. Regarding your concern, I don't think the paragraph is trying to establish the notability of the blogs & forums themselves, but rather to show those places & times at which the OSR movement was developing. I'd appreciate your thoughts! --ACodispo (talk) 11:51, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello ACodispo. Well, I did move it to the talk page rather than delete it entirely. The "problem" is that a direct link to a blog is essentially a perfect self-reference: it's entirely possible that some of these blogs were actually minor or irrelevant, and are just hyping themselves. The way to avoid that is to have someone else reliable (WP:RS) attest that yes, Dragonsfoot was relevant. This isn't really my area of expertise, but if you can dig up some third party sources that can attest to parts of the removed paragraph, it can absolutely be restored! Just... needs to not be a raw link to the blog. The "Ten RPG Blogs Everyone Should Be Reading" is close, that's at least a separate source, but the problem is it's not really a reference to this blog's relevance to OSR - it's just random praise from a random website. Still, something similar but from a more established source that's talking about OSR would be a good replacement, if possible. SnowFire (talk) 22:28, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SnowFire: Thanks for getting back to me! And thanks very much for preserving the paragraph instead of deleting it, I certainly appreciate that. Luckily some of the other references on the article mention some of these forums & blogs, so I'll attempt to use those references instead. For instance, the Escapist article talks about Dragonsfoot's part in the OSR fairly extensively. E.g. among many other references: "Forums like Dragonsfoot, Knights & Knaves Alehouse, and Original D&D Discussion all play vital roles by enabling old school gamers to discuss, share, and argue about their ideas with one another, just like the ‘zines and APAs of yore." I will work on it and notify you here when I've made a restore, in case you want to check it over. Thanks for your help! --ACodispo (talk) 14:12, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SnowFire: I've made a substantial edit to the history section, in case you want to take a look. In my opinion it adds back some information about the timeline and settings of OSR development in the 2000s while using references & quotes only from secondary sources (mainly the Escapist article). Thanks for your feedback here! --ACodispo (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Removed paragraph:

Early in 2002, the establishment of Dragonsfoot,[1] a website with a lively forum discussion and free creator content, heralded the resurgence of interest in "OSR" gaming. This was followed by the advent of more specific forums, such as ODD74[2] and numerous weblogs focused on discussing aspects of the roleplaying games of the 1970s and early 80s and providing ideas and new content for gamers, such as Delta's D&D Hotspot (March 2007),[3] Sham's Grog-N-Blog (February 2008),[4] Grognardia (March 2008),[5] Tenkars Tavern (June 2008),[6] DMDavid (September 2012),[7] and Goblin Punch (November 2012).[8] Numerous weblogs followed suite and continue to appear, including 'blogs focused primarily on historical or archaeogaming content such as Hidden in Shadows (July 2011),[9] Zenopus Archives (September 2011),[10] and Playing at the world (May 2012).[11]

References

  1. ^ https://www.dragonsfoot.org/
  2. ^ http://odd74.proboards.com/
  3. ^ http://deltasdnd.blogspot.com/2007/03/first-post.html
  4. ^ http://shamsgrog.blogspot.com/
  5. ^ Maliszewski, James (2008-03-30). "What's a Grognard?". Grognardia. Retrieved 2018-02-13.
  6. ^ http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2008/
  7. ^ http://dmdavid.com/
  8. ^ "Ten RPG Blogs Everyone Should be Reading". www.enworld.org. Retrieved 2018-02-28.
  9. ^ boggswood.blogspot.com/
  10. ^ http://zenopusarchives.blogspot.com/
  11. ^ http://playingattheworld.blogspot.com/

Change article name?[edit]

Given the recent survey at http://www.necropraxis.com/2018/12/20/what-about-the-r/ whose respondents almost certainly contain a large group of OSR creators and influencers, should the this article be titled "Old School Renaissance"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottmcmillin (talk • contribs) 21:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be in favour of this move given the results of the survey. --ACodispo (talk) 15:19, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Having read WP:Moving a page, it might be a good idea to use WP:Requested_moves#Requesting_controversial_and_potentially_controversial_moves, since this could be potentially controversial. I'll think about this for a few days and then request the move if there's no further comment here. --ACodispo (talk) 15:22, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OSR Article[edit]

I think this article could use some work - I'm not an expert on OSR by far - but I feel I know enough regarding it to make a contribution - I'll be trying to bring a bit more order and history to this page - please be patient with the changes - I am making - happy for any help and collaboration. Cameronmurtagh (talk) 01:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 26 June 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 20:04, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Old School Revival → Old School Renaissance – A 2018 survey of tabletop roleplaying gamers found that 70% of respondents understood the R in OSR to stand for Renaissance, while about 20% understood it to stand for Revival. These results include a majority of respondents who self-declared as participating in the OSR, as well as a minority who did not participate but were familiar with it. "Participation" ranged from playing OSR-related games, to writing about OSR-related topics, to creating & selling OSR-related products. While there can be no "official" name for a social trend or movement so informal as the OSR, using the name most recognizable to the greatest number of people seems reasonable. In this case the "Renaissance" name is also the one most self-declared members of the movement (who responded to the survey) would use to describe the movement. The survey results on this question are detailed here: https://www.necropraxis.com/2018/12/20/what-about-the-r/ ACodispo (talk) 16:35, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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