Talk:Olde English Bulldogge

This breed of dog is not a Category:Dog fighting breed, it was never used for that. The balance of the article is well written, why such heavy editing ? If you want to add on more info that is good, but why move info around for no apparent reason ? WritersCramp 23:32, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Because the headings and organization don't match the standards for dog breeds; there are better titles than those there. Because the intro has a lot of stuff in it that's not intro. Because there are better ways to phrase, spell, and punctuate what was there. That's why. Wikipedia is about collaborative editing to make text better, not about preserving your exact original text; hence, I'm reverting. If you really think that it's not better written, better organized, and better conforming to the general approach outlined in the WikiProject dog breeds, I recommend that you raise the discussion before reverting again. Learn to work with a group.

As for the guy, I didn't remove the mention but I find it's hard to believe that he's significant enough to ever warrant his own article; you can create the article and I'll reserve judgement to when I actually see it.

As for the dog fighting breeds, if it doesn't belong in that category, there's most certainly no reason for fighting breeds to be listed prominently in the See also. Can you justify that?

Elf | Talk 00:49, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

And now that I'm not so annoyed about having my text reverted *before* you asked why I did it--of course you can edit from there. That's a much better way of developing an article than reverting. Elf | Talk 21:07, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Citing sources

References vs Books vs Further reading: see my question & answer and links to related discussions at Wikipedia talk:Cite sources. There's no precedence for "Books", and it's still in debate over whether references & further reading should be separate or the same, but I'll go for further reading.

Also, something to consider: WP does not have a standard style for the list of cited sources. However, there's a nice example here and I've been trying to get all the dog-related articles to use that same format so that they look consistent. If you want to use that format, I'd be delighted; if you dont' have strong feelings about it, I can go ahead and change the format. If you do have strong feelings about it--please say something now or forever hold your bulldogges. Elf | Talk 21:07, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

The format I used at University was similiar to MLA, Wiki is using APA, I am easy going on the matter. WritersCramp

Englishe?

A change from "Olde Englishe Bulldogge" to "Olde English Bulldogge" has been reverted not too long ago. I wonder why. All the external links we provide use "English" (including the "International Olde English [sic] Bulldogge Association"), and Google counts 100 instances of "Olde English Bulldogge" for every instance of "Olde Englishe Bulldogge". I'm changing it back to English. Of course the article should be moved as well. Algae 19:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Contemporary breed or older breed?

The main bulldog article ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English_Bulldog) says that this breed (the Olde English Bulldogge) is a contemporary attempt to recreate English Bulldogs from earlier times. This article says that "(t)he Olde English Bulldogge originated in England between 1600 and 1700".

Clarification of facts that differ between the two articles please?

The above is an unsigned edit from User:82.133.79.7 (09:09, December 25, 2006).[1]

The Olde English Bulldogge is an effort to recreate the ancient English Bulldog. The ancient English Bulldog, now extinct, is also called the Old English Bulldog. My two cents would be that the main bulldog article on Wikipedia is the one called Bulldog.

The current version of the sentence in the Olde English Bulldogge that I believe you are referring to is

The Olde English Bulldogge is a modern attempt to breed a dog similar to the bulldogs that existed in England between 1600 and 1700, the latter commonly referred to today as the Old English Bulldog which is an extinct breed of dog.

This statement reflects how I understand this part of the history and lineages of the various kinds of bulldogs.

Hope that helps; if not, please ask. Keesiewonder 14:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

New Olde English Bulldogge Photos

New photos have been added to the list of Olde English Bulldogge photos as requested. I have also added a couple of new referances to the reference section of the main article and replaced the picture with one that displays the dogs whole body. I hope I didn't over step my boundries? Don Pelon 03:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Would like to validate this page

To those concerned. I would like to help validate this page but my knowledge on how to use Wikipedia is VERY limited. I appreciate all the help everyone has contributed to this page. I would like to learn just how to validate it. I am learning my way around slowly so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Yes, I have much knowledge on the FACTS to this breed and would like to help portray them appropriately within the pages of Wikipedia. Sincerely, Don Pelon (talk) 05:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I have re-formatted the article so that it doesn't look like an adevertisement. I still have to rectify the citations and add photos. I am still trying to figure out how to create a reflist in correlation to the citations wihin in the article. This article will be on going due to my lack of knowledge on how to use wikipedia. As time allows I will continue to update referances as well as citations. Help from all editors of categories relating to this article will be welcome. Thank you, Don Pelon (talk) 07:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Photos

I do feel there a some better photos available at the commons that could be used on this page particularly this one. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Olde_English_Bulldogge_Duke.jpg --Ltshears (talk) 17:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

That is a nice photo of Duke, but there is no way of verifying if he is an actual OEB or a Bulldog hybrid being referred to as an OEB. The photo that is currently on this page is a REAL Olde English Bulldogge that is registered with the American Rare Bereed Association and the Parent Club of the Breed, the Olde English Bulldogge Kennel Club. I will try to add more photos of ACTUAL OEB's to the Gallery in the near futureDon Pelon (talk) 00:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC).

Maybe the photo would look better if it was cropped in closer to the dog, right now it looks very small in the photo and hard to see detail..--Ltshears (talk) 00:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Health: WP:NPOV?

To me, the Health section comes off as biased, and the lack of citations certainly doesn't help. Dukeofwulf (talk) 17:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Health: WP:NPOV?

This section isn't biased at all. Minimal knowledge of Bulldogs as well as the OEB will verify the information in this section. Citations may help, but cursory research of the breeds health will verify the information stated within the section. Don Pelon (talk) 22:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

External Links

These need cleaning up - there are a kot of non notable links that are not mentioned in the article text. Mfield (talk) 10:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

An external link doesn't necessarily need to be mentioned in the article text. But you are probably right that most of the links don't meet the external links policy. Unfortunately I don't have sufficient experience in the this area to be of much help, but I can probably identify the most obvious violations. Natalie (talk) 12:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I will take another look at the external links policy. Don Pelon (talk) 22:20, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Editing without topic knowledge

With respect to the editing skills of the Wikipedia editors, it would be most helpful to those of us involved with the OEB if the editors of this page had a little knowledge of what they were editing. Some of the info in this article can't be cited yet. Although, written affidavits can certainly be ascertained to confirm that the informaion is factual. I apologize for not being nearly as well versed in the use of Wikipedia as many regular contributors, but I will keep trying to get better. Thank You. Don Pelon (talk) 22:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Plagiarism in "Characteristics" section

I have blanked the entire "Characteristics" section, because it appeared to be composed entirely of material copied directly from [2]. Someone who can write the section using multiple sources, and without plagiarizing, should do so. Tad Lincoln (talk) 09:33, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Information in the Characteristics section is from the standard for the OEB, a document within the public domain and not owned/copyrighted by an individual or entity. It was not created by the owners of the website you linked, therefore is not plagarism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ss 051 (talk • contribs) 21:18, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Repeated Vandalism

User 98.124.95.22 has repeatedly attempted to add their website to the EL's and insert themselves into either the Breed Standard or other sections. This user/organization is not affiliated with the Olde English Bulldogge breed and was certainly not involved with the writing of the standard for submission to the CDHPR, which they claimed in one of the most recent revisions. Their attempts are blantant marketing scams to make money off unwitting persons researching the OEB breed. Is it possible to block this user from modifying this page further? Ss 051 (talk) 14:07, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

A user is repeatedly coming in and modifying the table of disqualifications with inaccurate information. The correct information (that docked, kinked or screw tails are a disqualification) can be verified in the standard referenced within the article. I will add a link to the standard, found on the CDHPR website, but I'm not sure it will do any good.--Ss 051 (talk) 18:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Uncited changes to this article

This article has been written and validated with available literature on the Olde English Bulldogge. More recent articles such as a Dog Fancy breed profile from 2005, and a Dog World rare breed spotlight from the March 2009 issue corroborate this information despite not being referenced in the article. A user is still editing the Disqualfications table with incorrect information based on a registry that is not recogized and does not register dogs that are purebred or would be considered Olde English Bulldogges per this articles description. It would be nice to make this article accurate for people learning about the breed, but unfortunately the rampant misinformation regarding this breeds history (for the monetary benefit of people registering mix-breed dogs as OEB's) is interfering with this accurate information from being available. There are several options to help fix this:

1. This article can be locked somehow and only edited with information from a legitimate source, i.e. online publications from topic experts such as the AKC, UKC, or other legitimate/recognized registries, or topic experts who have published information for commercial sale. Unfortunately, even the latter has instances of accurate historical information (inline with this article) only to use images of dogs who don't meet the criteria for the written substance of their own text.

2. A secondary article could be drafted to clarify that use of the OEB name is common as a catch-all term for mixed-breed "designer" dogs who are not related to the original OEB described in this article. --Ss 051 (talk) 19:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)