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The Netherlands[edit]

  • First Boy Scouts 7-1910
  • First Scout Group 12-1910
  • Oldest existing Scout Group 19-12-1910 Vaandrig Lengton Groep

--Egel Reaction? 20:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

The article is Oldest Scout Groups. Should it be Oldest Scout groups? --evrik 18:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that in many countries, but not the USA, "Group" is a proper title - an organisation that includes a Cub Pack and a Scout Troop and possibly a Beaver Colony, Explorer Unit and Rover Crew, and is headed by a Group Scout Leader. It is a great idea. I have always wondered why the BSA does not adopt the idea as it greatly assists progress from one stage to the next. Whether we change the title is I think not that important. --Bduke 22:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia reference to 'Vaux's Own' as being in existence for a "few weeks ahead of the visit (by B.P. on the 22nd February 1908)" is in contrast with the Scout Association document 'First Troops' at the bottom of the page.

The 'First Troop' document conservatively states that "If this Troop (Vaux's Own) was ready for inspection on February 22, one would infer that it had already been in existence for some days at any rate". The Scout Association reference then further quotes Vaux as stating that "This visit (of B.P.) was the beginning of our Scouts in Sunderland". There no reference to 'a few weeks'.

Queensland, Australia[edit]

Scouts Queensland - Chronology 1908 Patrols formed. 1909 First Scout troop, 1st Kangaroo Point registered.

I noticed these in the scouts queensland site, under history. --RobBrisbane 05:54, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Birkenhead[edit]

1st and 2nd Birkenhead where both established on the same day 24/01/1908 at the YMCA there is a document in the 2nd Birkenhead hut signed by BP that proves this I assume its still there I only left a few years ago.

Also as mentioned in the article the arrow park jamboree in 1924 was located there becasue the first official groups started in Birkenhead.

If this is contested I could probably arrange to go and photograph it next time I'm back up there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.44.1.153 (talk) 17:02, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two points. One, we need sources that readers can check. Two, it is of course contested by the Scout Association itself, as they refuse to commit to which was the earliest Troop. Plese sign your comments on talk pages with ~~~~. --Bduke (Discussion) 21:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1st Heaton moor[edit]

I know my local troop claims to be the oldest in the world, tracing itself back to February 1908 (in fact, I am quite sure they started on the day of the release of the scouting book) - should this be added? 81.97.58.2 (talk) 20:20, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It could be added if there are reliable independent sources that support this claim. Many groups make claims of this kind, but they are not always supported by sources. Indeed it is difficult to find reliable sources for these claims. --Bduke (Discussion) 23:12, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Philippines[edit]

This article is about the oldest Scout Troops. The section on the Philippines is most interesting, but it does not mention a single troop. I think it should be moved to a history section of an article about Scouting in the Philippines. What do others think? --Bduke (Discussion) 22:45, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. One Troop is mentioned but it is 1914, which is not that early. --Bduke (Discussion) 04:04, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
At present, the Boy Scouts of the Philippines organization knows only about the Lorillard Spencer Troop of 1914. (This info is already in the Wikipedia article on the BSP.) The organization does not possess any archive for reference. Presumably, records were destroyed during the war. The Boy Scouts of America (or some other institution or university in the USA) probably has documents in its archives relevant to Scouting in the Philippines (such as the full text of the letter to Teddy Roosevelt), and of course the Manila/Philippine Council (such as communications and annual reports), but I do not have access to these. (BTW, my apologies if this post does not appear correctly. It's my first time to post on talk page.) --User:Oliver Puertogallera User_talk:Oliver Puertogallera Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 04:50, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Your post is fine. I just moved your sig up, so it too was indented. However, it does not address the issue that most of the material under the Philippines entry is not relevant to an article on the Oldest Scout Troops, but is relevant to the article on the Boy Scouts of the Philippines. Should it be moved there? I think it should but the merge would have to be done carefully as some of the material is already listed there. The information on the 1914 Troop should of course remain here. --Bduke (Discussion) 06:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Colchester[edit]

The group in Colchester also registered in 1908, claims to be the oldest in the world. Anecdotal from Scout Leader. ayyem (talk) 19:21, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

British or US spelling?[edit]

A number of "organisation" have just been changed to "organization". I though this article used British English, but is not clear. Do we use both - British English for countries that use British English and US English for countries that use US English? --Bduke (Discussion) 09:44, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's my understanding of Wikipedia-leave the original language the original author used, except when it is a topic in the other variety's sphere-of-influence, and it can vary if a topic is germane to both. So I support it if you want to change it back.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:02, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Done. I have left "organization" for US sections. --Bduke (Discussion) 20:48, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

US Section[edit]

The heading is 2008 - 2010, but there are some entries for troops that started later. I suggest that the troops started in 2011 or later be deleted, but what is the consensus? --Bduke (Discussion) 22:31, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Year range[edit]

It seems that dates of founding for British ones stop at 1908 whereas for elsewhere stop at 1918. Considering that many of the groups shown no longer exist, would it not be smart to include later foundings also? A table of all groups would also make the article more like an actual list as opposed to a body of text. I believe the Scout Association keeps a database of group registration dates, of which an FOI request or even just an email may make accessible. UaMaol (talk) 23:24, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

3rd Winnipeg Scout Group[edit]

Lord Baden-Powell started the Scouting movement in 1907, the 3rd Winnipeg (3rd Wpg) Scout Group was started in 1909 by Lt Col John Hesgath a friend of Lord Baden-Powell. Giving 3rd Winnipeg the auspicious honour of being the oldest continuously active Scout Group in Winnipeg, Manitoba and one of the oldest in Canada. 198.48.221.212

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