Talk:Olga of Kiev

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Bulgarian origin of Olga[edit]

There is a hypothesis that Olga was a Bulgarian princess (from Pliska, and not from Pskov). She may have been the daughter of either Tsar Simeon the Great or of his deposed brother, the apostate Prince/Khan Vladimir-Rasate. Olga's presumed Royal Bulgarian origin could explain the ease with which her son, Prince Svyatoslav, managed to conquer both Danubian Bulgaria and Volga Bulgaria. --Vladko 20:58, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

There is no such language "Cyrillic"[edit]

According to the most accepted version, Olga was born near Pskov (what is present day Russia) and spent most of her life and became famous in Kiev (what is present-day Ukraine). Both languages are relevant. What was the reason for your edit war with Sashazlv? Just to remove the mentioning of Ukrainian language?--AndriyK 13:11, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I corrected and inserted a special ru/ua template I deviced some time ago just for the cases like these. Hope everyone's happy. --Irpen 17:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Christianity in Kyivan Rus[edit]

Was it not accepted by St.Olga in 988?

Prince of Kiev?[edit]

Surely the title in the succession box shouldn't be Prince, rather Princess or Regent. Lemmy Kilmister 09:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Lev Gumilev's theory[edit]

Lev Gumilev's account of Olga:

Having assumed the supreme power in 945, Olga broke with the policy of the Khazar-Rus' alliance, conducted by her predecessors. Like her grandson Vladimir, she declared in favour of the Byzantine alliance. In 949, she sent her troops to take part in the Byzantine expedition against Crete. In 957, she went to Constantinople, converted to Christianity and declared war on Khazaria. Seven years later, her youthful son, in alliance with Pechenegs and Torks, sacked Atil, Samandar, and Sarkel. At that very period, the level of the Caspian Sea rose by five meters, submerging the delta of the Volga, together with the capital of the Khazars. Ibn Haukul reports that, after sacking Samandar, the Rus' started a war against Rum and Al-Andaluz, i.e., Byzantium and Spain. Indeed, the Rus effected a landing in Galicia in 968; they sacked Santiago, killed the local bishop and were not repulsed (by Count Gonzalo Sanchez) until 971.

Any comments? What of this should be reflected in the text of the article? --Ghirla -трёп- 13:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't see here anything terribly new apart from the ides that it was Olga's initiative to break with a Rus'-Khazar alliance, but Gumilev is probably the only historian who thought that way. The rest is actually not about her. Beit Or 07:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Edward Gibbon section[edit]

This seems to be a simply a large quote without any processing or even marking, and with style sharply conflicting that of the previous parts of the article. Perhaps some rewriting is in order (i.e., put encompassing text and mark the quotating as such?) I'm willing to do that, provided some reason doesn't exist of keeping that section as is. IgorSF 04:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I suppose it should be moved to WikiSource. --Ghirla -трёп- 08:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating[edit]

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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move per request as the common name, and indeed, I also tried some searches and it appears that Olga of Kiev is a few hundred times as common.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Olga of PskovOlga of Kiev — The page was moved recently from without any discussion from what is the overwhelmingly used name ("Olga of Kiev", [1], [2]) to an obscure and practically not used form ("Olga of Pskov", [3], [4]). Olga certainly was from Pskov, but she is known as the princess/queen of Kiev, and commemorated accordingly. Constantine 19:31, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


How can anyone who murdered people become a saint?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:29, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

That was my question. Olga was clearly blood-thirsty which was probably not unusual for the warlike time she lived in. But it's kind of crazy that someone responsible for mass murder could be made a saint simply because she converted to Christianity. (talk) 21:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

source for clunky claimed spelling?[edit]

Who spells it Olgha, in English? Source or it goes. And don't lie when you make changes this time, Lifeglider--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:41, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Revenge for Husband's Death[edit]

The article on Igor of Kiev suggests that Olga first became upset with the Drevlins not because of their insisting she be married, but because they killed her husband:

Igor' was killed while collecting tribute from the Drevlians in 945. The Byzantine historian and chronicler, Leo the Deacon (born ca 950), describes how Igor met his death: "They had bent down two birch trees to the prince's feet and tied them to his legs; then they let the trees straighten again, thus tearing the prince's body apart."[2] Igor's wife, Olga of Kiev, avenged his death by punishing the Drevlians. The Primary Chronicle blames his death on his own excessive greed, indicating that he tried to collect tribute for a second time in a month. As a result, Olga changed the system of tribute gathering (poliudie) in what may be regarded as the first legal reform recorded in Eastern Europe.

Yet here there is no mention of these even though there is an illustration at the bottom titled "Olga's revenge for her husband's death." Ileanadu (talk) 16:07, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

The poliudie is mentioned under Regency. She's famous not for avenging her husband's death, but for holding on to power and for keeping Kiev from being absorbed into rival territories. As a woman and as a grieving widow, she was expected to be weak and remarry, instead she became a ruthless bloodthirsty killer, and that's what made her a Christian saint. Oh, the irony! Feel free to add whatever you think is missing from the story. USchick (talk) 07:49, 30 May 2014 (UTC)