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- 1 Prehistory
- 2 65% Ibadhi
- 3 Subdivisions
- 4 Type of government
- 5 Needs significant substantive editing
- 6 Independence?
- 7 Independence from United Kingdom
- 8 Oman
- 9 Add references
- 10 Oman and Gwadar
- 11 ADDING A GALLERY PAGE--NEED MORE PICS
- 12 OMAN AND THE BRITISH
- 13 WITH RESPECT TO OTHER NATIONS
- 14 SHOULD CCREATE A NEW ARTICLE PERHAPS!?
- 15 Harsusi
- 16 OMAN AND BRITISH - NO COLONIAL RULE IN OMAN EVER ACCORDING TO REUTRERS AND BCC ITSELF
- 17 somebody could modoifyt his text and ut it proeprly in the article..or probbly human rights in oman (new article)
- 18 Human Rights
- 19 Lead bias
- 20 Labor Unions
- 21 Image Gallery
- 22 Climate data
- 23 Religion in Oman
Dereaze/Ibri: never heard of it. In fact palaeolothic and neolithic finds and sites are known in variousparts of the country. PYule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:6B:D0F:3601:AD04:1988:1CBD:60E2 (talk) 22:43, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
A quick google search shows that there are different percentages of Ibadhi muslims in Oman. Two pdfs say 45% and 65%, not the 75% that says so on the Oman page which has its citation from CIA factbook. I think the factual accuracy here may be disputed. --AquaFox (talk) 22:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
- My guess is that "Food" should have been a sub-section of "Culture" (which would then make "Male National Dress" etc sub-sections of Culture instead of sub-sections of Food...) I've indented "Food". Cheers, and well spotted! I've been caught up with Dubai recently and haven't been keeping an eye on Oman as much as I could. This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 18:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Type of government
The info. box states it to be both a constitutional monarchy and an absolute monarchy. This is an oxymoron; a monarchy cannot be both absolute and constitutional. Would someone care to clarify? HLGallon (talk) 19:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- It was an absolute monarchy until comparatively recently, however I don't believe that that's an accurate description now. I've removed it. Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 22:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Needs significant substantive editing
This article is filled with redundancies -- for example, kahwa is explained three times in three consecutive paragraphs. Female style of dress is explained twice -- once in once under the first paragraph of "Culture" and again under a subsection of "Culture" called "Female national dress". Reading the article as a whole, as someone who previously knew nothing of the subject, it seems whoever is adding information isn't checking to see what's already been discussed.
Also (new person here) I'd add that it lacks balance - the part on food, for example, is clearly lifted from a tourist brochure or something. Omanis may be hospitable and their food may be fantastic but those are value and taste judgments so should not simply be presented as if indisputable fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 09:30, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
- I agree, unfortunately much of this article is pretty awful. I removed some of the passages that were obviously from a tourist brochure, but much more needs to be done. Several sections, such as the one on food, are far too long and lack citations while sections that should be long, such as the one dealing with the political situation, are too short. Unfortunately, I don't know all that much about this particular country so I can't really add much, I can only do some editing. Hopefully someone will come along and do some real work on this, though this seems to be a country that people are neglecting here on Widipedia... The Way (talk) 06:08, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
- Was Oman part of the UK (or the British Empire)? I realise that Britain exercised considerable control (of the gunboat diplomacy type) over parts of Oman's African empire, but my understanding was that Oman-proper was never more than a British ally. (It doesn't prove much either way, but Oman is not a member of the Commonwealth despite retaining strong ties with the UK). My knowledge of Oman's history is pretty much limited to reciting the Sultans from the current dynasty, however... Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 16:41, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Independence from United Kingdom
I have a lot of knowledge about Oman's history having read a lot of books about it and all. And as far as I know, Oman was never part of the British Empire even though it is many a times shown to be!
Oman very much maintained its own territories in Iran and Pakistan. Even though its African empire was crumbled down by the British.
British did pressure Oman time and again. And the fact remains that Oman was only to approach Britain in case of a diplomatic row according to the treaties that were forcibly signed. But unlike Aden,etc The British never maintained more than a consulate or something in Muscat forget military presence. However during the Dhofar crisis,the whole fate of the world rested on this small country (It controls one half of the Strait of Hormuz from where 40% of the worlds petrol is shipped out - Communist control of that would have totally changed the outcomes of the Cold War! - For further reading - Read "In The Service of the Sultan" by Ian Gardiner) and so British presence intensified!
I have removed "Received independence from United kingdom phrase" as of now.
- For what it's worth I agree with this. My understanding is that Oman was - and is - a close ally of Britain, but was never part of the British Empire. TFOWRidle vapourings of a mind diseased 10:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
- The fact is the United Kingdom wielded sovereignty over Oman. Oman was a protectorate of the United Kingdom, as were many parts of the British Empire, with the United Kingdom controlling its foreign affairs and defence. All maps of the British Empire depict Oman as part of the British Empire. Oman was as much as part of the British Empire as Yeman was or any other part of the British Empire was. The Yeman article states the date Yemen received independence from the United Kingdom. Oman too has a date when it received independence from the United Kingdom and this should not be removed from the article simply because wp:IDONTLIKEIT. If you argue Oman was not part of the British Empire for whatever reasons then technically you could do the same for say India, in which case Wikipedia stops being factual and correct, instead becomes someone's personal opinion and wp:original research. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 22:54, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- Influence, yes. A degree of control over foreign policy and the armed forces, certainly. But never sovereignty. In any case, the 1970 date for independence is absurd. That was the year in which a British-backed coup overthrew Sultan Said bin Taimur, replacing him with his British-educated son Qaboos, and multiplied many times the amount of British aid and numbers of British personnel in Oman. Please provide a source for a map of the British Empire which includes Oman (not counting Zanzibar). HLGallon (talk) 23:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- We can't cite Wikipedia (or any other user-edited website). Also, the map doesn't specify 1970 (or any date). The article itself mentions that Britain "intervened" in Oman in 1957 (during the 1980s there was a burnt out truck at Tanuf that I believe dates from this time). The article doesn't mention it, but Britain (and Iran) intervened in Oman again, in the early 1970s (the rebellion itself started in the early 1960s; foreign intervention didn't occur in earnest until late 1971 - though the British had been advising the new Sultan since before his assumption of power).
- However, neither of these two interventions were by a colonial power intervening in a colony - Oman was an ally, not a colony, is how I understand it.
- I suspect the map's makers employed a broader definition of "British Empire" than one we should use here (based, perhaps, on Oman's East African territories being part of the British Empire at one point, rather than Oman-proper being part of the British Empire). Regardless, the place to raise that would be at "File talk:The British Empire.png". Here all we can do is cite reliable sources (i.e. not Wikipedia!) that say whether or not Oman was part of the British Empire, and when (or if) it gained its independence.
- Cheers, TFOWRidle vapourings 08:59, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
- I've been digging around for references to confirm/reject Oman being part of the British Empire:
- US State department: ...in 1508, when the Portuguese conquered parts of Oman's coastal region... ... Except for a period when Persia conquered parts of Oman, Oman has been an independent nation. ... During the 19th century, Oman and the United Kingdom concluded several treaties of friendship and commerce.
- Rand corporation: building relations with the Arab and larger world in an effort to mitigate Oman's dependence on Britain, legitimizing Oman's independence, ...
- Marxists.org: [covering 1840-70] Oman was divided into two parts.... Both parts were under the control of the British resident and theguns [sic] of the British squadron stationed in the area ensured British domination all along the coast.
- Records Of Oman 1867–1960 (archiveeditions.co.uk): [covering 1867-1947] In the attempt to impose their authority, the rulers faced a dilemma. They needed the help of the British as the major power in the area, but were jealous of their independence. The dilemma was resolved by the enduring and close relationship which was to develop between the Sultans and successive British political agents.
- britishempire.co.uk: Not being a formal colony or protectorate, Britain's involvement with Oman was a very subtle one, but nonetheless powerful for all that.
- Trucial Oman (what's now largely the UAE) consisted of what were certainly protectorates; however, as far as I can tell, Britain's political influence over Oman ranged from what conservative sources regard as a gentle political agent chatting with the Sultan, to what more radical sources regard as gunboat diplomacy.
- TFOWR 14:15, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
- Britain's political influence over Oman ranged from what conservative sources regard as a gentle political agent chatting with the Sultan, to what more radical sources regard as gunboat diplomacy.
- That's certainly what it seems to be. Although if you look at the section I'm trying to make head or tail of below, maybe it was steamboat diplomacy :) I can't figure out the relationship in that section between the first sentence, and the jump to 100 years later - maybe I'm being dense. Actually, I just can't properly parse that section in my head at all - sometimes I read it and think I'm getting the point, a bit - then I read it again and all sense leaves me. Perhaps the British reference in there is a blind alley. (or something) - Begoon (talk) 14:19, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
- Tangentially, the Anglo-Zanzibar War (duration: 40 minutes) was about 30 years after Oman's "involvement" with Zanzibar ended, but shows how diplomatic Britain could be at times ;-) I keep meaning to look in detail at Gwadar, but it's not an area I know anything about (yet!). I will look - I promise! TFOWR 14:31, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Let's improve the article.
Oman and Gwadar
There don't appear to be any citations for this section at all. It's also very poorly written/explained.
Is anyone able to rewrite it/provide sources?
I'd try myself, but I don't know where to start given the lack of references.
Or should it just be removed - if it has no reliable source ?
ADDING A GALLERY PAGE--NEED MORE PICS
Well i am adding this gallery page that i added on Muscat page all pics are shot by me and i release them into public domain ;)
But all these pics are basically of Muscat....so add more will add the same gallery to Tourism in Oman, wont do any harm...wil just make the pages more nice!
OMAN AND THE BRITISH
Well if the British actually ruled Oman then They wouldn't have allowed a Sultan that was not at all friendly to them for around 3 decades or so
Now if you say they were just grooming his son and all Then my argument rests on this, like in many protectorates and like in many princely states (for example in India) the British could have just swapped rule to regents by murdering the current king or to brothers and uncles
Why have a sultan who doesn't really like helping you, and who controls your access to the gulf and to aden (likewise), effecting your trade with India
Oman was under an area of influence very much like Iran was Hence you cant say Oman was not independent
All gulf states were so backward that they needed any foreign power to get them their basic neccessities and the British won that bid Hell they even got half of the Arab states independent (Syria,lebanon,etc) (and ironically led to the partition of a greater Arabian state into minor nations) From money (gulf rupiah) to engineering and armaments, it was all needed, and the British were there!
WITH RESPECT TO OTHER NATIONS
Well it says on the EGYPT PAGE that Egypt gained independence in 1922 from UK
Then how come the British were fighting the Nazis in Egypt? Well certainly EGYPT IN ALL SENSE WAS A BRITISH TERRITORY AND WAS SO TILL 1953 (Republic declared) There was always a British presence of troops even though the Monarch of Egypt was the so called ruler He had to always comply with the British even after the so mentioned independence of 1922
That however was not the case with the Sultan of Oman! and hence you cannot say that oman wa snot independent
SHOULD CCREATE A NEW ARTICLE PERHAPS!?
RECENT CLEANUP OPERATION REMOVED EXTENSIVE AND ALOT OF INFO ABOUT OMAN'S CORAL REEFS EVEN I BELIEV IT WAS UNNECCESSARY TO HAVE IT HERE
BUT EITHER IT CAN BE PUT ON OMAN ENVIRONEMNT PAGE
OR OMAN TOURISM PAGE
OR PROBBLY A NEW PAGE
I HAVE SEEN MANY DOCUMENTARIES ON NAT GEO....AND SOME CONTENT ON BBC ABOUT MUSANDAM AND OMAN\S DRIVE FOR ECO-TOURISM RATHER THAN ITS NEIGHBOUR'S CONCRETE-TOURISM (DUBAI'S SKYSCRAPERS,ETC)
THE CONTENT WAS
Oman’s coral diversity== - Flanked by strikingly scenic coasts and down in the shallow waters, the coral reefs of Oman are largely uncharted territory — their charm and diversity is yet to be fully explored and enjoyed by residents and tourists alike. - - Coral growth at Cat Island, Muscat - Opportunities for divers, snorkellers and marine biologists, who enjoy watching coral reefs and the vast array of marine wildlife that resides there, are being encouraged and increased. - - Some of the most beautiful coral reefs sites of Oman are located in Muscat area, Damaniyat Islands, Bandar Jissah, Bandar Khayran, Fahal Islands, Sharqiya, Barr al Hikman, Masirah Islands, Dhofar, Musandam and Marbadh. - - Corals are not just lifeless rocks. “They are animals with a stony skeleton”, explains Eng Mussallam Mubarak al Jabri, head of Marine Pollution Management Department at the Ministry of Regional Municipalities and Environment. Reefs are one of the richest habitats for animal life on earth. - - Muscat area is rich in corals but the centre of diversity is at Fahal Islands. Ra’s al Hamra is known for a unique coral community.Fahal Islands in Muscat is a centre of coral diversity - Exposed rocky shores facing north and east is the hub of soft coral growth, while south and west facing shores contain hard coral growth, for example at Cat Island, Cemetery Bay and Fahal Island. - - The Damaniyat Islands, about 17-km offshore, support extensive reef development. Damaniyat reefs are typically dominated by a few genera, but at some sites where the assemblage is mixed, coral diversity is known to be high. Damaniyat reefs provide a diverse habitat and feeding grounds for commercially important fish and a high potential value to Oman’s tourist industry, says Mussallam, who being an active diver has watched coral reefs from close quarters. - - Sharqiya coast, which used to be an area of luxuriant coral growth, has only a few reef formations now. Much of the previously luxuriant coral growth was destroyed in a storm a few years ago.Hooni Bay in Dhofar puts up a beautiful spectacle - The fishing industry of Sharqiyah depends on coastal fish stocks, many of which are reliant on shallow water coral environment. Reef areas of this area are also important for turtles, whales, dolphin and seabirds. - - At the southern shores of Barr al Hikman coral watchers have found extensive reefs covering kilometres of shallow coastal areas. The reefs of Barr al Hikman are also known for supporting high densities of migrating birds, coastal protection and production of coral sand. - - Masirah Islands harbour coral communities along the southwestern shore. Some of the sheltered bays have emerged as important nursery grounds for juvenile fish, found in high densities. Fishermen in Masirah Islands mostly tap the much sought-after reef fish stocks, most notably Emperors and Groupers. Emperors and Groupers, in turn, depend on coral areas for reproduction and feeding. Large turtle populations in Masirah also depend on reef areas. - - - - Efforts are under way to preserve the natural richness of the coral reefs - Moreover, some fish species and reef invertebrates, in addition to the corals of Dhofar, add to the overall biodiversity. Dhofar’s coral areas are important for feeding turtles and a large number of seabirds. The turtles and seabirds add a new dimension to the scenic coastal beauty of the area. - - Musandam offers well-developed reef communities in its eastern bays of Jazirat Umm al Ghanam, and Khawrs such as Khawr Ghubb Ali. Although Musandam is not known for coral diversity, some reef species such as Pavona are unique to Musandam and therefore hold national significance. - - Importance of Musandam’s reef areas lies in supporting commercially vital juvenile fish stocks. The sea around Musandam is a hub of wildlife, including breeding seabirds, turtles and dolphins. - - Thanks to Oman’s National Coral Reef Management Plan, extensive efforts are under way to preserve the natural richness, variety and quality of the country’s extensive coral reef areas. - - Protecting the coral reefs of Oman is important because reefs are one of the richest habitats for animal life on earth. - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pranav21391 (talk • contribs) 09:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Oman is said to be an "Arab" country, although it partly speaks Harsusi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 16:12, 2 February 2011 (UTC) The article on the Demographics of Oman does mention Harsusi and relatives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 17:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
OMAN AND BRITISH - NO COLONIAL RULE IN OMAN EVER ACCORDING TO REUTRERS AND BCC ITSELF
People who have perceptions about Oman being ruled by British due to some wrong map of the time, please Oman was never ruled by the British. Reuters, whose reports are referenced even in the UN (no other media agency is used by UN), and BBC itself - UK's own broadcaster! have stated in the references mentioned that Oman has been independent the longest from a long time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pranav21391 (talk • contribs) 02:55, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
somebody could modoifyt his text and ut it proeprly in the article..or probbly human rights in oman (new article)
The Omani government is a monarchy. The Sultan, Qaboos bin Said Al-Said is the self-appointed leader of the country since 1970 and serves as the country's chief of state and head of government. The monarchy is hereditary and the monarch's cabinet is appointed by himself.
Citizens of Oman can vote for members of the legislative branch. The members are elected by popular vote to serve four-year terms, however, the legislative branch only has advisory powers. The country has universal suffrage for people 21 years of age and older, however members of the military and security forces are not allowed to vote.
 Universal Human RightsOmani citizens have limited rights to freedom of speech and peaceful assembly.
This will always be a huge challenge for countries where there is a hereditary ruler and the press does not enjoy absolute freedom. For Oman, the toughest litmus test is probably Article 19 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, that everyone (male and female) has the right to freedom of opinion and expression. Given that this right includes 'free access to any media regardless of frontiers', the Sultanate's decision to ban gay and lesbian material on sites like Youtube  will keep them outside 'mainstream freedom' until there is a significant change of thinking among the incumbent government.
 Children's rightsThere are no reports of child prostitution in Oman. Child labor is not a problem. In 2003, the government raised the minimum age to work from 13 to 15 years of age.
Oman has very little Human rights its president has been ruling Oman since 1970 Qaboos bin Said Al Said (Arabic: قابوس بن سعيد آل سعيد; Qābūs ibn Sa'īd Āl Sa'īd; born 18 November 1940) is the Sultan of Oman. He rose to power after overthrowing his father, Sa‘id ibn Taymur, in a palace coup in 1970. He is the 14th-generation descendant of the founder of the Al Bu Sa'idi dynasty.
Oman has jailed many opposition usually these persons are jailed without any media notification without even a proper trial, the Public Prosecution has almost ultimate rights to prosecute persons and jail them deport them or even hold them for 6 months or more without representing them to court. This has upset the Omanis for many years
Women have little or no rights at all ruled under the Sharia laws Due to Oman's laws being influenced by Sharia law, women in the country have limited rights in regard to inheritance, marriage, divorce, and child custody.
Wosim Tahan a computer engineer was held in Oman Buraimi, for 44 days by the public prosecution without any reason and was kept in Mahda Jail without being presented to courts and later was deported to Syria through Muscat the intervention of the Human rights watch and Amnesty international expedited his release, this is one example of Oman treatments.
In recent days there has been large riots in Sohar asking for reforms in the country.
The lead section is tremendously flawed, how can 2 out 4 paragraphs deal with UK or US? I would suggest to replace this anglo-centric paragraphs with information on: the role of maritime trade in the history of Oman, islam in Oman and its economy.Dentren | Talk 15:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
The article says that labor unions are now permitted but that collective bargaining is prohibited. This seems like a contradiction to me since collective bargaining is the primary function of a labor union. I suspect that these organizations are not properly called labor unions. In any case, an explanation of this unusual situation would be helpful.Bill (talk) 04:23, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
The article has an image gallery. This seems a little unusual to me. Could these images be relocated to the relevant sections (where appropriate) and the Gallery section removed? I think that would be more in keeping with similar articles. Begoon talk 08:49, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
The climate data currently presented as Fahrenheit with Celsius following in brackets should be ordered opposite. Most people relate to Celsius, not Fahrenheit, globally speaking. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 09:33, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Religion in Oman
Around 75% of the population are Ibadhi, a form of Islam distinct from the Sunni and Shia denominations, 24% are Sunni Muslims, and the Zaydi Shi'ite sect forms the remaining 1% of the Omani population. Non-Muslim religious communities individually constitute less than 5% of the population
Let's see. Islam: 75+24+1 = 100%. After that, 0% is left for other religions. Sure, 0 is "less than 5", but this must not be the right way to say it. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 03:18, 3 December 2012 (UTC) Sorry about any formatting issues I'm new. Ibahi's page cites the Ibadi population at 75% where here it says 45%. Ibadi uses this https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mu.html . they cite the religion as 75% ibadi 25% other muslim / non-muslim. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 08:01, 12 March 2013 (UTC)