Talk:One pound (British coin)

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Manx Coins[edit]

No discussion about the Manx coins? -- Kaihsu 13:44, 2004 May 7 (UTC)

No, they're not legal tender in the rest of the UK. -- Arwel 14:07, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
Well, to start, the Isle of Man is not part of the UK, but I have certainly seen Manx coins being used here in England.... Maybe a new article should be started for them? (Sadly, I recently spent one of these buying a sandwich in Oxford.) -- Kaihsu 16:09, 2004 May 7 (UTC)
And I have seen Gibraltarian ones used here as well. -- Kaihsu 19:26, 2004 May 7 (UTC)
Oh, certainly very rarely you'll find Manx, or Gibraltar, or Jersey, or Guernsey pounds in your change, but the reason they're rare is because they're not legal tender and someone's slipped them into circulation over here without the recipient noticing! Anyway, I haven't written anything about them 'cos I don't know enough details about them! :) -- Arwel 20:35, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
As you no doubt know, legal tender means nothing in everyday transactions, as it refers to money that cannot be refused to pay off a pre-existing debt. Shopkeepers are free to refuse even legal tender if they want to, because you haven't got into debt with them. "I can't take that, it's not legal tender" is a phrase used by racist shopkeepers as a legal-sounding reason for why they want to discriminate against your money. Banks will happily accept (genuine) Manx pound coins and pay you £1 for them. In Scotland, we have our own banknotes, and face the same problem when we go "abroad" to England with our very real money! Scottish shops have no problem taking the not-legal-tender Scottish banknotes, why not English shops? 80.41.214.111 (talk) 08:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Irish and Scottish notes are Promissory_notes so outside of where they are issued they are just colourful pieces of paper. 86.44.78.37 (talk) 21:53, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
True, genuine Northern Irish and Scottish banknotes are not legal tender all over the UK. But they are far from being "just colourful pieces of paper", since legally they have the same value as Bank of England notes. It is only the legal status of their use in different monetary transactions that varies. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:41, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Merger[edit]

Surely this should be merged with Pound Sterling, any opinions? Boffy b 23:16, 2004 Aug 20 (UTC)

Certainly not -- that's about the currency, this is about the physical artefact. -- Arwel 19:13, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Title[edit]

British coin One Pound strikes (no pun intended) me as a really awkward construction - certainly not something that anybody except possibly a numismatist is going to stumble across by accident. Wouldn't British One Pound coin or Pound coin (United Kingdom) be better?

Surely "sterling" should be used instead of "British", even if the code is GBP.

Standing on the shoulders of giants[edit]

I saw this text on some 1 pound coins' sides a month ago, when I was in England. It is not mentioned in the article... Why not? -- Euyyn

Because it's not on the £1 coin, it's the edge inscription of the £2 coin. -- Arwel 12:38, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Pictures of the Coin[edit]

The Royal Mint page (as linked to at the bottom) contains very clear images of all the coins, is it possible to use those ones instead of the worn-looking ones that are currently there? Especially given that the 2006 coin appears to have already been retrieved from there. JimmyK

Definitely Minglex 21:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Definitely not - see that "Crown Copyright 2006. Royal Mint." at the bottom of the Royal Mint page? Crown Copyright is definitely incompatible with the GFDL licence Wikipedia operates under. Images licenced under GFDL, however poor, are always to be preferred over copyrighted or so-called "fair use" images as a matter of Wikipedia policy. -- Arwel (talk) 01:03, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I was wondering whether that would be an issue, however, if this is the case, from where was the image of the 2006 coin retrieved? -- JimmyK 19:21, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Maggie[edit]

I don't think "maggie" was ever really a genuine nickname for the coin - it was just a joke: "It is sometimes called a 'Maggie' because it's think and brassy and thinks it's a sovereign." I never heard this "nickname" used in any other context than this joke. TomH 18:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree -- I've never even heard it as a joke. It definitely doesn't belong right at the top. Benjcohen 13:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Another joke was about calling it a Scargill, for reasons just as unflattering. This went on to say that a fifty pence coin would then be 'alf a Scargill. Moonraker2 (talk) 20:57, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Go on...tell ust the Scargill joke.--82.134.28.194 (talk) 13:17, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Examples of fakes[edit]

I uploaded these images of a fakes next to a real coins if its of any use

Real on the left, Fake on the right
Fake on the top


obverse[edit]

I note that for the years 2004-7 the obverse is given as "Obverse: Rank-Broadley head, inscription ELIZABETH II D G REG F D 2004, starting below, IRB directly under the bust. Encircled by dots." Is this needed? The obverse is already mentioned at the top of the article. Maybe this text should be removed. Alternatively, maybe obverse information should be included for all years.

NotMuchToSay 15:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

IRA stamp[edit]

There are quite alot of pound coins circulating in Northern Ireland that have had IRA stamped on them. Is this worthy of a mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.108.37 (talk) 14:16, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Not unless you tell us which banks do or do not accept them.--82.134.28.194 (talk) 07:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Face value vs. number of pieces[edit]

I just updated the "in circulation" quote based on Royal Mint numbers, and there they have separate values for "face value" and "number of pieces" that are different. Anyone know why the face value is higher than the number of coins? — PhilHibbs | talk 14:14, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Counterfiing[edit]

"Also, the writing on the edge may be in the wrong font and look very poor (see image), and the coins often generally look much less sharp and defined, lacking intricate details."

But every genuine issue so far has edge detail. So any coin lacking detail a much better giveaway? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:18, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Can the 1983 coin edge inscription appear in either orientation, or does one style indicate a fake? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

2008 Design[edit]

The first coin design description mentions issue 2008 of the pound coin is an ornamental royal arms, where the 2008 image it is just normal coat of royal arms. Not sure which is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.89.243 (talk) 11:30, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

i corrected an error which was then reverted...[edit]

in the text of the article you will find:

"1983, 1993, 2003 & 2008"

which is incorrect, as far as i can tell, according to the source cited by the article itself (#1).

it should be:

"1983, 1993, 1998 & 2003"

however when i edited it, the user Martinevans123 reverted it. So, i think im right, and i would like the article to reflect my correction. What should i do?

Kavonjoon (talk) 22:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

See your talk page. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:21, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Over use of non-free images[edit]

At the end of March 2011, I raised an issue regarding the heavy use of non-free images on numismatics articles at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Numismatics#Usage_of_non-free_images. Three weeks later, there's been no response. My intention is to remove much of the non-free content of coins/notes from this article for violating WP:NFCC #3a, requirement for minimal use, and WP:NFCC #8, since many/all of the non-free images are designs not specifically referred to in the text by externally sourced commentary. If you have concerns about this issue, your are invited to discuss it at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Numismatics#Usage_of_non-free_images. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 19:54, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Decus et Tutamen[edit]

Decus does not mean shield in any way, shape or form. The cited page "Short History" is incorrect, thus I am removing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.126.79 (talk) 12:21, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


Guys, decus et tutamen in latin means honor and defense. PaoloS 109.236.171.97 (talk) 23:06, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

"An Ornament and a Safeguard", according to the Royal Mint http://www.royalmint.com/discover/uk-coins/coin-design-and-specifications/one-pound-coin Ghughesarch (talk) 00:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)