Talk:Operation Epsom

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Kirsten Dunst[edit]

Is this vandalism? In the Planning section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jokem (talkcontribs) 15:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Nomen est ...?[edit]

Any word on why it was named Operation Epsom? I see Epsom is a town south of London. Sca (talk) 19:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Its named after the Epsom horserace, if it doesnt mention that in the article i would imagine its because my sources didnt say so or i missed it. Ill scoot through them again later.--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 19:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm sure Wilmot mentions something about the 'race-meeting' operations (Epsom, Charnwood, Goodwood). EyeSerenetalk 20:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Windsor and Aintree had cameos too.Keith-264 (talk) 21:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

As far as I am aware at this point in time codenames for operations like this were deliberately chosen to be neutral and not give away any clues on the purpose or type of the operation. So the answer to "why" is because it doesn't particularly mean anything. It is only more recently that some military operations have been named more for the perceived public relations benefit than for military purposes. -- (talk) 17:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
More modern ones are all stolen from cheesy Steven Segal movies ... everyone knows that :p--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 19:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
True (well, US ones at least). Epsom went one better though with sub-operations Gout, Goitre, Impetigo and Hangover... planners with a sense of humour indeed. EyeSerenetalk 19:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


is there an estimation about allied tank losses ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HROThomas (talkcontribs) 18:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I have checked and double checked the sources i have on this operation and their doesnt appear to be any. New information is welcome however.--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Straw Poll[edit]

Do you think that this,

"....the clash of two modern armies [is] one huge battle spread over space and time, in which the smaller battles fought by the army corps...[would] form the tactical encounters of traditional battles. These large numbers of battles that would take place far away from one another as the individual corps or groups of corps came into contact with the enemy would be welded together by the commander-in-chief into a 'complete battle'. The individual [smaller] battles would be given significance by the commander-in-chief's plan. Just as a commander of old gave units particular goals on the battlefields of days past, a modern commander-in-chief would give specific goals to his army corps. Each would play a part in the overall plan. 'The success of battle today depends more upon conceptual coherence than on territorial proximity. Thus, one battle might be fought in order to secure victory on another battlefield.'"

is a reasonable description of the course of the Normandy campaign and of Epsom's place in it?Keith-264 (talk) 20:53, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe the opening sentance is possibly spot on; although i think you could make the same connection between the ancient battlefield and the modern depending on how you look at it. I couldnt really comment on the last part though.--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 23:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

banal? this sentence dont fits for allied in normandy. i guess its more for complex and faster operation like barbarossa. the many little operations maybe secured victroy in cean but were not neccesary. he talks about offensive actions with many little actions at the same time with little place for failures... my opinion... —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


Removed redundant citations from the infobox, put casualty data in a new section, ce'd several sections, moved citations from mid-sentence to improve flow and generally spring cleaned.Keith-264 (talk) 14:39, 22 May 2014 (UTC)