Talk:Optimus Prime

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was no consensus. @harej 00:29, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

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Optimus Prime → Optimus Prime (The Transformers) — See talk page - to either (Transformer) or (original). — Eh! Steve (talk) 13:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

• Megatron → Megatron (The Transformers)
• Starscream → Starscream (The Transformers)
• Ultra Magnus → Ultra Magnus (The Transformers)
• Cliffjumper → Cliffjumper (The Transformers)
• Rodimus → Rodimus (The Transformers)

Or:

• Optimus Prime → Optimus Prime (original)
• Ultra Magnus → Ultra Magnus (original)
• Megatron → Megatron (original)
• Rodimus → Rodimus (original)
• Cliffjumper → Cliffjumper (original)
• Starscream → Starscream (original)

I've been talking about this for a while, but the fact that the G1 versions of these Transformers characters "own" the undisambiguated article names is a bit biased. Not only does this treat the G1 versions of the characters as "superior" and "definitive", which would be a big point of argument among Transfans (for example, the movie versions are more well-known but not necessarily more popular), but things would happen like little kids looking for the movie version of Prime getting redirected to a page on an old cartoon character they don't know about. Therefore, I suggested that the G1 pages be moved to disambiguated names, and that the undisambiguated names lead to disambiguation pages. After I've been trying to find a catch-all term for a disambiguator, eventually finding (The Transformers) or (original). While not all G1-related material carries the title "Generation 1", almost all G1 universe-related material except for Beast Wars (in which these characters aren't main characters) carries the title "The Transformers" (with the "The"), but if this is a bad disambiguator anyway then there's always (original) as a disambiguator. Lemme know what you think. If you don't like the disambiguators then you can always suggest new ones. --Eh! Steve (talk) 13:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

(NOTE: As of now, some of the pages were already moved before I realized there was no real consensus. The page move refers to the pages on the G1 characters. Also, I'm not requesting a move for Bumblebee's page since it's already disambiguated.)

• I see you didn't bother waiting as you just went ahead and made all the moves without discussion anyways. I suggest an admin revert all of those moves first. I also laugh at your comment that the movie versions are more well-known, most of the people I saw going to the live-action movies just wanted to see an action flick and likely wouldn't remember the names. TJ Spyke 14:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
  • I moved them because there was mild discussion before hand at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Transformers and, from experience, most of the things I suggested for moving/splitting Transformers pages were discussed at length by other users, so I just decided to save the trouble. (It was wrong to do so, though, and I won't do it again.) Also, my comment that the movie versions are the most well-known (as well as yours that people don't remember the names) is just speculation; there's no way to prove or disprove either, but the movies have definitely brought Transformers to a more mainstream audience than any other universe, even G1, and people who liked the movie would likely remember the names. Even Lil' Formers, which I think was written by a prominent movie-hater, acknowledged that Movie Prime is the most well-known Prime among children and general audiences. Yes, I know, G1 is the most well-known Transformers incarnation within the fanbase itself (as it's the basis for the entire fanbase), but not everyone who uses Wikipedia is a hardcore TF fan; as a mainstream website, Wikipedia should better reflect what mainstream audiences are looking for (which means that "Optimus Prime" shouldn't just mean "G1 Prime"). However, it would actually be worse if someone decided to use the undisambiguated names for the Movie characters, because they aren't the original versions and haven't been around for as long.--Eh! Steve (talk) 14:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I just moved the four articles to name (Transformers) as it is consistant with a dozen+ other Transformers articles already disambig'd. Please ignore the above request. Mathewignash (talk) 15:12, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks, that fixes the bias and is a major improvement. Cliffjumper and Rodimus haven't been moved yet, though, and I think I shouldn't because I wouldn't do it very well, as stated below. Could someone plz move those pages?--Eh! Steve (talk) 15:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
  • One of the reasons you should wait for the outcome of a requested move is that the people who close requested moves are more familiar (and in most cases perform) the necessary cleanup for the moves they implement. When you moved these articles, you orphaned multiple images and left numerous double redirects unfixed.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:46, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
• Every use of the name Optimus Prime that I have heard of, is in one of the various Transformers scenarios. Leave the plain name as the disambig page. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:26, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Optimus Prime (Transformers)

The Optimus Prime's from Unicron Trilogy and Transformers Animated were merged into Optimus Prime (other incarnations). Then that article was merged into Optimus Prime (Transformers), which redirected here because of one article sharing that title. Optimus Prime (Transformers) redirected here replacing it disambig content that the links redirect to here. Some info needs to be updated and summarized. Optimus Primal keeps a seperate article though. 71.162.98.85 (talk) 23:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Note: Talk:Optimus Prime (Transformers)'s box was moved here, because these ratings were for Disambig pages since this is now an article. 71.162.98.85 (talk) 23:15, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Longer than the article on prime numbers. Talk about WIKIGROANING.TurtleMelody (talk) 04:11, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Pack in comics

The Pack in comics section needs help from someone who knows more about it than I do. Edit the section to see details. Basically, there is a bunch of information, but not information on the subject.Sesamehoneytart 23:41, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Article Size

As of now, this article is 106 kB in size and 17565 words in length, not counting HTML code or references. According to Wikipedia: Article Size, an article should almost certainly be split as it nears 100kB. Because this article was created by merging other articles, maybe some of the explanations of what Prime does in each series can be summarized instead of drawn out?

Also, redirects to this page may have problems because several sections, such as "toys" and "animated series" appear multiple times. Therefore, redirects here to a certain animated series may be directed to the wrong one. Sesamehoneytart 13:53, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 30 October 2011

Please change Partner to Partners Add Sentinel Prime and Elita 1 as partners to Transformers animated Optimus Prime 68.96.197.246 (talk) 03:57, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

The Partner vs Partners is something in the template so cannot be changed. But Who are all the partners for the one you are speaking of? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 18:30, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

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Infoboxes

Why do Transformers articles have so many infoboxes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.112.253 (talk) 13:52, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Season 2 Prime/Rescue Bots

The Transformers: Prime section of this article needa to be updated with adding info on season 2 of the Prime series. Also, the Rescue Bots section also needs to be updated.71.162.103.239 (talk) 16:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: You need to make a specific request, with a 'please change X to Y' degree of detail, to use the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 21:09, 19 February 2012 (UTC)