Talk:Orange Order

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"Sir" additions[edit]

Removed per WP:HONORIFIC. I'll also point out again that baronets don't get referred to as "Sir Joe Bloggs", it's "Sir Joe Bloggs, 1st (or whatever) Baronet". 2 lines of K303 17:26, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

1. WP:HONORIFIC states 'Except for the initial reference and infobox, do not add honorific titles to existing instances of a person's name where they are absent'. In other words, it is appropriate to add an honorific title to the initial reference to a name. Each of the Grand Masters is only referred to once, and so that reference is the initial reference in each case.

2. Would it be appropriate to amend the page to refer to 'Sir James Stronge, 5th Baronet' and 'Sir Edward Archdale, 1st Baronet' ? Alekksandr (talk) 17:33, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

The underlying principle is "do not add honorific titles to existing instances of a person's name where they are absent". The other part is for their own articles only. 2 lines of K303 17:37, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

With respect, I suggest that WP:HONORIFIC means what it says. And that it would be strange if wikipedia prohibited recording, in a list such as this, the fact that one of the holders was a knight or baronet. Alekksandr (talk) 19:17, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Page changed accordingly. Alekksandr (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

History section[edit]

I've re-wrote almost the entire "Formation and early history" section as:

  1. Overly biased against the Orange Order without giving a non-biased view of the situation
  2. Downplayed the Catholic role in the trouble and sectarianism
  3. Focused too much on events and groups not directly relevant to the point of the section
  4. Contained very little actual history on what led to the Battle of the Diamond and the Orange Order's role in the United Irishmen;s rebellion
  5. The following quote "It is no secret that a persecution is now raging in this country… the only crime is… profession of the Roman Catholic faith. Lawless banditti have constituted themselves judges..." seemed to be purposely truncated to exclude "and the sentence they have denounced... is nothing less than a confiscation of all property, and an immediate banishment." to imply that the persecution was simply the killing Catholics when in fact it was confiscation.

Whilst it still doesn't make pleasant reading for an Orangeman who'd like to present a clean version of the orders foundation, it is now written in a more balanced and neutral tone. Mabuska (talk) 22:49, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Orange Order[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Orange Order's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article. The Orange Orphan Society is a registered charity - Registered Charity Number: 1068498 and contact details are found at http://www.charitychoice.co.uk/the-loyal-orange-orphan-society-of-england-88447 If this does not answer your question please clarify.

Reference named "Bardon":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 06:43, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

other Orange institutions (Scotland)[edit]

In this article, Orange institutions in other countries are just a branch of the Orange Order in Northern Ireland. I would mention the Orange Lodge, the Glaswegian Orange Foundation (mentioned in thatcher's memoirs btw.) etc. I do not think this is correct. --Wiskeps (talk) 07:23, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Flag description[edit]

I'm not sure why the description of the flag as "consisting of an orange background with a St George's Cross and the purple star of the Williamite forces" has been removed. Is there some good reason for removing the description of the flag? Dmcq (talk) 11:41, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Comparisons with Ku Klux Klan[edit]

Further to previous comment does this section not run counter to Wikipedia guidelines i.e. "sections within an article dedicated to negative criticisms are normally also discouraged". These 'comparisons' are only made by opponents of the Orange Order. I think this section should be removed and the comparison is cover for criticism. Removal is supported by the previous talk discussion also.--Flexdream (talk) 21:40, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I propose to remove this section. It is not a comparison, but is a platform for critics of the Orange Order to associate it with an unpopular organisation with which it has no links or affinity. --Flexdream (talk) 04:13, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Go ahead. I support removing it. The section has been controversial for some time. It has been moved, deleted, re-added, moved again, renamed, removed again, and re-added again. One can compare anything to anything, even though they aren't related, but those who want it kept in the article are trying to somehow say the Klan and the Orange Order are tied. Guilt by association. It's not true of course, but one can't prove a negative, can one? I don't care one way or the other anymore. I don't belong to the Order, and I know no one who does. All my Irish relatives are Irish Catholic. But Wikipedia isn't about truth and accuracy anymore. It's about cranks pushing political agendas. I wish you good luck and Godspeed in deleting this section. Eastcote (talk) 02:53, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I also "don't belong to the Order, and I know no one who does". Your conclusion on what wikipedia has become is sad. Regards.--Flexdream (talk) 08:02, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Rather amazing. It's been a few days, and this hasn't been reverted. Maybe all the disruptive. agenda-pushing editors have finally been blocked. We'll see. Eastcote (talk) 06:53, 27 July 2014 (UTC)