Talk:Order of the Chrysanthemum

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Order of the Auspicious Clouds[edit]

Anyone know what this order is ? [1] Dowew 22:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction?[edit]

Order of the Crysanthemum appears to contradict itself. (And I can't figure out how to flag it such.)

It says The grand cordon is the highest possible honor a Japanese citizen could be awarded during his life time. Aside from the imperial household, only three grand cordons have been awarded to living citizens and eleven to the deceased.

Yet goes on to give a very lengthy list of living people who hold the Grand Cordon.

Only one of the people listed is Japanese, and he is an ex-prime minister! TinyMark 11:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


Not actually a contradiction. It only lists a single Japanese citizen; the rest are foreign heads of state. 173.44.77.185 (talk) 18:54, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Queen Elizabeth II[edit]

I removed the "Queen Elizabeth II of the Commonwealth realms" as "of the Commonwealth realms" is not one of her titles - see List of titles and honours of Queen Elizabeth II. She has a different title in each realm, but is known first and foremost as "Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom". In any case, this article is about a Japanese honour and does not require links to entirely unrelated (Commonwealth) subjects. TinyMark 11:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Status: verifiability?[edit]

Does it make sense to limit new additions to this list? This thread is a first step in seeking consensus opinion.

Is it appropriate at this stage of the article's development to initiate a standard limiting names on this select list to

(a) those who already have Wikipedia articles
and
(b) those whose award of this Japanese honor is also verified by a reliable source citation -- see, e.g., US Navy Cross edit history?

In a context informed by practices which seem to have worked out well at Navy Cross, all new additions who aren't already featured in an article could be re-redirected to this talk page section with the following edit history explanation:

the award of this Japanese honor must be confirmed by a reliable source citation -- see "Status: verifiability" on talk page

The names of those with an article, but with no reliable source confirming this honor are listed below:

The names of those with neither confirmation by a reliable source nor an article are listed below:

I did attempt a quick Google search for any kind of information about each presumed historical figure; but my efforts did not reveal readily identifiable support.

This specific problem arose at Order of the Sacred Treasure; and moving the name to the talk page proved to be a workable solution. In due course, the honor was verified and the names were restored to their deserved place in the article's lists. --Tenmei (talk) 14:38, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Admiral Tōgō[edit]

This fact was removed from the text because it has no citation support:

"Notwithstanding that general directive, in 1926 Fleet Admiral Marquis Tōgō Heihachirō became the first and, so far, only Japanese non-Imperial to be awarded the Collar of the Supreme Order of the Chrysanthemum."

The Admiral's name remains in the list part of the article because the collar is plainly visible in a formal portrait photograph; but the text needs somewhat more in order to be adequately supported. I do believe that this sentence is accurate, but that is not sufficient to comply with the requirements of WP:V. --Tenmei (talk) 21:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Description of the Insignia[edit]

I have seen sources that state that the round red center of the Star and Badge of the Chrysanthemum and of the Grand Cordon of the Rising Sun is a garnet, not red enamel. Since I don't have the source presently at my disposal I did not edit the website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.20.58.145 (talk) 21:48, 8 October 2012 (UTC)