Talk:Orthodox-Catholic Church of America

	Christianity portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChristianityWikipedia:WikiProject ChristianityTemplate:WikiProject ChristianityChristianity articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

United States

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

A weasel formulation![edit]

The section History says:

"Much can be said about the politics of those in favor of and those opposed to Fr. Vilatte,"...

and then it doesn't say anything more about it!! Is that an insinuation, or ...?! The sentence needs to be reformulated to be more factual, and not allege to unsaid facts, or whatever there is. Said: Rursus ☺ ★ 08:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Response to A weasel formulation!

The wordage used is very plain given that the politics was very mixed. It would take many pages to actually cover the issues so instead, it was elected to make one simple statement. The fact that one can go to the home page for the Jurisidiction via the external link where all the information can be found is all that is really needed within this wiki article. No allegations are being made. Just a simple statement of fact. Said: Barbara Martzall 19:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC) (a priest within OCCA and webmaster for OCCA)[reply]

Ukranian Orthodox Church Reference[edit]

Removed the external link/reference to the Ukranian Orthodox Church as it is not part of the Orthodox-Catholic Church of America and is not in commiunion with it. Returned the article back to the original article as approved by OCCA's Metropolitan.--Barbara Martzall 19:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why was the link to Crosswood removed?[edit]

Seemed like a valid link to me. Carlo (talk) 22:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response to why the Crosswood Link was removed

Presently the Community is undergoing some changes with the death of Metropolitan Skip. When everything settles out, the link will be returned to the article. The Skete is closed permanently.--Barbara Martzall (talk) 15:06, 23 November 2009 (UTC)Barb Martzall[reply]

"Isn't an Eastern Orthodox church"[edit]

"Regardless of their beliefs it isn't an "Eastern" Orthodox church by definition." How so? What about it is it that qualifies it as not an Eastern Orthodox church? Deusveritasest (talk) 22:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One thing that strikes me as odd about this group is that they trace themselves to Rene Vilatte - an episcopus vagans. But there are no such things as episcopi vagantes in Orthodoxy - the idea that a bishop is a bishop simply by the laying on of hands, and can then ordain others is distinctly Western. In Orthodoxy, a bishop without a congregation ceases to be a bishop. I don't see how Vilatte can be considered an Orthodox bishop, whether ordained with the Patriarch of Syria's approval or not. And therefore, I don't see how a church founded on his orders can be considered Orthodox. Clinleyj (talk) 00:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are numerous other churches part of no broader jurisdiction with only one bishop who are recognized as Eastern Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox. So unless you want to question the status of all those other churches, I don't see how there is a basis to question this one. Deusveritasest (talk) 04:13, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The correct question is what would qualify this independent and relatively modern United States-based church to be described in any meaningful way as "Eastern"? Nothing in the article would seem to adequately support this claim. It is more accurate to simply refer to it as being an "independent Orthodox" church - although some will have problems with that idea. To be called an "Eastern Orthodox" church it needs to have some meaningful present connection to an historical Eastern Orthodox church. Just being "Eastern Orthodox" in ethos and liturgy isn't really sufficient. If it's an "independent" church formed and based in America then it isn't "Eastern" - it is a Western church that prefers Eastern forms of worship etc. Afterwriting (talk) 15:01, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A Wider Connection[edit]

I deleted the following phrase:

The Syrian Orthodox Church vibrantly exists today and has grown across the world. While OCCA has no current official relations with their Mother Church, OCCA accords them the respect due to an Apostolic Church and to a Church who in a time of need assisted Mar Timotheus in his vision for a truly Western Orthodox presence in the United States. The Syrian Orthodox Church continues to acknowledge their ordination of Mar Timotheus.

I found it ambiguous. I'd repair it myself, but it is unsourced --Zfish118 (talk) 01:37, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This sentence was placed back in the article, however no collaborating source was added. The sentence suggests a relationship may exist with the Syrian Church, but no evidence of this relationship is provided. I have thus removed it again. --Zfish118 (talk) 04:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section[edit]

I have a small issue with this quote from the lead paragraph:

They are not in communion with the Patriarch of Constantinople and are not regarded as canonical by the rest of the Orthodox Church.

The OCCA was historically tied to the Syrian Orthodox Church, which hasn't been in communion with the Patriarch of Constantinople since the 4th century! The OCCA according to the history section of the article, never had any ties to the Eastern Orthodox, but rather the Oriental Orthodox. It also seems that it is no-longer in communion with the Oriental Orthodox either (see section above).

The lead needs work to better reflect the origins of this organization.--Zfish118 (talk) 17:25, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have deleted all referenced to the Eastern Orthodox Church in the lead, aside from the disambiguation at the top. --Zfish118 (talk) 05:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Catholic Church naming conventions RfC[edit]

There is currently an RfC at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Catholic_Church)#RfC:_should_this_page_be_made_a_naming_convention that may be of interest. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 23:45, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Source list[edit]

I see this article has an extensive and quite impressive-looking list of sources. However, I doubt that 95% of them has any mention at all of this tiny splinter faction hosting vagante bishops. I suggest that anyone with access to one or more of those offline sources check its index right quick and remove it from here unless it actually has some relation to OCCA and not just a general treatment of the Orthodox faith. Elizium23 (talk) 03:33, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]