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Ottoman/Turkey dispute[edit]

There has been a long running discussion regarding the use of the term "Turkey" in articles about World War I at Talk:Anzac Mounted Division which has spilled over into the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history here [1] and to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators here [2].

This discussion relies on the following note: "At the time of the First World War, the modern Turkish state did not exist, and instead it was part of the Ottoman Turkish Empire. While the terms have distinct historical meanings, within many English-language sources the term "Turkey" and "Ottoman Empire" are used synonymously, although many academic sources differ in their approaches.[Fewster, Kevin; Basarin, Vecihi; Basarin, Hatice Hurmuz (2003). Gallipoli: The Turkish Story. Crows Nest, New South Wales: Allen and Unwin. ISBN 1-74114-045-5.] The sources used in this article predominately use the term "Turkey"."

This note has been added to two articles which have both changed "Ottoman Empire" to "Turkey." They are, Anzac Mounted Division which was operational between 1916 and 1919, now describes Turkey fighting during the Sinai and Palestine Campaign, and in the Charge at Huj article which also uses "Turkey," despite my protests and an edit war. --Rskp (talk) 00:42, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I proposed to resolve the Anzac Mounted Division wording dispute consistently, by reaching a consensus which would be valid for other articles as well. My proposal was rejected. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:25, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Note: MarcusBritish has expressed a concern that Takabeg (talkcontribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. (diff)Ma®©usBritish{chat} 06:58, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

As Takabeg was the editor who first alerted me that it was indeed the Ottoman Empire which took part in WW1, I thought that editor might be interested to know about this dispute. This was not canvassing. --Rskp (talk) 23:30, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Another policy which you failed to read and comprehend, Roslyn? WP:CANVASSING states canvassing "is done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion towards one side of a debate" – and also requires invitations to discussion to be neurally worded. Given your clear lack of understanding of English, you should known that "wrongly", from your message to Takabeg, is an adjective which describes an opinion, and is therefore a non-neutral word, pertaining to your subjective opinion. It also follows on from the MilHist consensus, as you are clearly on a mission to find an excuse to override that consensus, insisting that 11 people are wrong and you are always oh so right. So please, don't assume to tell me what is not canvassing, I don't appreciate your presumptuous tone nor outright lies. A neutrally worded invite to a debate requires an invite and a link with absolutely no statement of your personal views that could influence the editor. You didn't do that, so it was canvassing. To add to the insult, you also cherry-picked someone specifically who supports your personal view, rather than a range of invites, that was your own admittance, which constitutes partisan canvassing – more in your favour. Learn the ropes Roslyn, don't hang yourself with them... Ma®©usBritish{chat} 00:37, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

What is this gibberish transliteration? Οςμανλι İμπαρατορλθήθ Χθμξθρίυετί Δεωλετί --88.251.12.238 (talk) 10:55, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Pavlo-Kurtik Vilayet - possible hoax[edit]

According to the article "vilayet", vilayets were introduced in 1867.

The article Pavlo-Kurtik claims there was a Pavlo-Kurtik Vilayet in the 15th century, and that it was below a sanjak.

Androoox (talk) 22:19, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand why you discuss single-article issue on this talkpage, but not massive renaming and changes you performed. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:49, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2014[edit]

The section on Samuel Morse and the electric telegraph is in conflict with the main Wikipedia article on the electric telegraph and appears to be inaccurate. Corduanp (talk) 18:44, 2 March 2014 (UTC) Peter Corduan

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Question about the empire's territorial extent.[edit]

I have been doing some editing on the List of Largest Empires article and I noticed that the Ottoman Empire is noted for having an approximate extent of 5.2 km at it's height. Yet the map in the infobox seems to contradict that. The map depicts the Ottoman Empire being larger than the Roman Empire, which was 6.5 km at it's height. That being said, wouldn't we agree that the map overexaggerates the extent of the empire? Kirby (talk) 21:38, 24 March 2014 (UTC)