Talk:PARC (company)

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Untitled[edit]

I'm wondering if the more active editors of this page would have a problem with changing the PARC redirect to the PARC_(disambiguation) page, since there is now another article using the PARC name, PARC Management. ClarkCT 20:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Clean Technology[edit]

Could somebody perhaps expand on what this refers to? As it's referred to as "clean technology", I'm at a loss for exactly what is being discussed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.94.62.90 (talk) 11:15, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe this is a reference to technology that substantially reduces or eliminates polluting emissions. Pzavon (talk) 04:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
CleanTech is supported by PARC, and concentrates on sustainable energy, and assisting new environmentally friendly companies to startup. [1] for details. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ybidzian (talkcontribs) 22:27, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Article Name[edit]

This article really probably shouldn't be titled "Xerox PARC" anymore, given that that's no longer at all accurate. What should be done about this? Vygotcha 00:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Please. We're not allowed to rename Standard Oil even though it is, thankfully, also out of existence. It's the history that counts here.
And it is with a hopeful & futuristic note that I also say: We're not allowed to rename Microsoft Craporation even though it, too, is thankfully out of existence.
The name of this article should NEVER be changed; just link in other names as appropriate. Xerox PARC is of such legendary importance to the history of computing that sufficient complimentary superlatives still elude me. Yes, even now. Etcetera. --Parsiferon 09:36, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Costs[edit]

I think it would be interesting to know how much PARC cost Xerox in total during its heyday. Hopefully this isn't secret information. -- David McCabe 05:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

But you have also to add how Xerox has benefit from these technologies, like licences, own printer products, ... . These all sounds like company secrets —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.123.29.0 (talk) 06:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I am sure those are internal financial details that were never broken out for public release. Pzavon (talk) 16:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

The Morning Worship[edit]

It's not a joke. Next time I am in Palo Alto, I will locate the ground upon which the headquarters of PARC stood, and will with great solemnity kneel and bow to the wonder of it all. Was PARC as amazing a place as the stories say? I have no doubt. OK, not much doubt. I hope to see you there, next to me on the pavement, some upcoming chilly morning in the Realm. My comment is NOT a joke. Let's try 6 a.m. It may take me a few years to get back there though. --Parsiferon 09:36, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Tone of the article[edit]

Some portions of this article feel more like an essay than an entry in an encyclopedia.

"There is no denying the long-term impact of PARC's systems. It took two decades for much of their technology to be equalled or surpassed. The interfaces and technology that PARC pioneered became standards for much of the computing industry, once their merits were widely known.

"It is legend that Xerox management consistently failed to see the potential of many of the PARC inventions. While there is some truth to this, it is also an over-simplification. They certainly understood the value of laser printing, and of advances coming from the non-computer-focused part of PARC. Most critics don't realize that computing research was a relatively small part of PARC; there were many researchers working in areas such as materials science at PARC, including pioneers in LCD and optical disc technologies."

216.221.32.46 (talk) 22:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Tone definitely seems off on especially that last part in the PARC Legacy section. Added an NPOV tag. Not sure if that is the right tag though. 24.18.240.121 (talk) 04:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Stanford[edit]

Should mention the association with Stanford University. While I was a grad student in the early 1980s I worked there a summer, was a consultant during the year, and we often went to each others' seminars, for example. The land I think in fact is leased from Stanford, but need to do some research to make sure, and see if I can get some published info. W Nowicki (talk) 21:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

"The GUI" section[edit]

Parts of this section contradict Apple_v._Microsoft.

Where this articles states

"Xerox was allowed to buy pre-IPO stock from Apple in exchange for engineer visits and an understanding that Apple would create a GUI product"

and

"[that the statute of limitations had expired] was not actually true; the dismissal of Xerox's legal complaint was not based simply on late filings, but rather a lack of legal merit to Xerox's case as it was presented"

the other one states

"the story that Apple had given Xerox Board members stock in exchange for access to the research performed at PARC is a legend because the truth is that Xerox did, at one time, own stocks in Apple but they were purchased as an investment and sold later"

and

"the Xerox case was dismissed because the three year statute of limitations had passed."

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.250.22.208 (talk) 00:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC)  

There is so much wrong with this section. The claim that the Mac was the first commercially successful GUI is dubious. While the Xerox Alto is mentioned and shown, the Star isn't even referenced! Whether the Star was a success or failure financially it beat the Mac to the market by three years, used a desktop metaphor, mouse, etc. The Mac didn't get announced until 1983 and was sold in 1984. The Mac was an immediate flop and remained that way for many years. Jobs was booted from Apple primarily due to his obstinance on the point. The original Mac toaster box was 128k and cost about $2,000 adjusted for inflation that's about $5,000 in 2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh). The machine was a pig and a flop. Not some raving financial success and it is unclear when it did become successful. I'm not even going to try to figure what the $9,000 Mac IIfx of 1988 would work out to be in today's dollars. Certainly one could have bought a nice, new small car for that sum. It was the Apple II variants that kept the company from sinking beneath the waves.

The desktop metaphor and mouse were direct rip offs of the Xerox Alto/Star. The judge tossed Xeroxes suits based largely on sloppy legal work and comments to the effect that law requires one to aggressively defend copyrights and patents.

Really, why is Apple or the Mac even in this article. It is about Xerox Parc. The innovations that came out of there were tremendous and should stand or fall of their own accord.

Xeroxes failure in capitalizing on many of these innovations is well known. So I'm not hero worshiping here. Xerox made some very bad mistakes and they should be called to task.

But for the love of God let's dump the Apple Mac stuff from here.

The Digital Music Sampler[edit]

A Xerox PARC engineer took me there one evening in 1975 to show me the various wonderful things. I saw the mouse and GUI, but as a music enthusiast, those were far overshadowed by the astonishing Digital Music Sampler. There was a small room, like a closet, with a full music keyboard connected to a computer and a stereo with speakers. When you played the keyboard, you heard the sound of a huge multi-story pipe organ. At the time, it was astonishing. Looking through Wikipedia, it appears that EMS had invented this in 1969, and it is unclear whether there was any connection between the three of them and Xerox PARC, or whether PARC had just come up with the idea separately.

I have not added this to the actual wikipedia page, because of the absurd rule that no first hand information is allowed - so I would have to put the paragraph on some web page out there, and then link to that as a "reference" (oooh!) and then that makes it acceptable (rolls eyes). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.166.167.10 (talk) 00:07, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Trash?[edit]

Did PARC's GUI really lack the Trash like the article claims? The following screenshot seems to imply otherwise, as it clearly shows a trash icon in the lower section of the screen:

http://images.appleinsider.com/leopard-preview-desktop-3.jpg -190.225.17.127 (talk) 12:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
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