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Mangled media links (ogg files)[edit]

Hi, links to ogg files seem to be broken in section Solo career: 1993-present Should be graphics for three files, but I can only see two and first one shows

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on wiki page (with some square brackets around it). I couldn't see how to fix this.

Birth place[edit]

The birthplace seems to be wrong. Google says it's Yeovil, Dorset.

I Love and Adore this Woman no matter where she comes from.

Yeovil isn't in Dorset, it's in Somerset just over the border. Harvey went to college in Yeovil but was born in Weymouth. Joe D (t) 08:17, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
So, the article currently states she was born in Bridport, Dorset. Is this correct?
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

quitting[edit]

That Polly was quitting appears to be an exaggeration made by NME. They were the only magazine to report this. Polly scheduled shows almost immediately afterward and has made no comment on the incident. And given that the touring retirement of a major artist received no other media coverage, I think it might be wise to exclude the statement from PJ's entry on Wikipedia.

Further evidence that the NME sucks. I know this isn't really the right place for this but seriously they're not a genuine music magazine they're just like heat magazine or some other crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.168.4 (talk) 23:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Gallo-Harvey collaboration[edit]

If the touching collaboration on Uh Huh Her refers to "The End", then this is mistaken. Harvey has said that she put it on the album at his request, but they did not collaborate on the song.--Weebot 21:41, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Automatic Dlamini[edit]

No referance to Harvey's membership in the Bristol-based band 'Automatic Dlamini'. Someone with more information and better skills in written english please help and add the missing info. All I know though, is that she was invited and joined the band in 1988 as a guitarist/saxophone player/backup singer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.216.199.10 (talk) 09:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Feminism and Nudity[edit]

I call bs on the following:

She drew fire in April 1992 when she appeared topless on the cover of the British magazine New Musical Express; until then she had been assumed to be unambiguously feminist.

This statement doesn't seem to have anything to do with any real feminism. Ok, some feminists believe pornography is evil in some strange reactionary way, but real feminists believe women should be free to do what they want with their bodies. Don't let fringe groups hijack good causes. Not even in Wikipedia articles.

--62.142.193.131 20:04, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Ditto that.

I wasn't aware that nudity was somehow irreconcilable with the feminist consensus of the Cause. Then again, I wasn't aware that there was a consensus in the first place.

I'm editing this to reflect a neutral POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.135.241 (talk) 04:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, using sexual imagery is very irreconcilable for a lot feminists/feminism. Furthermore, calling feminist (or non-feminist) opposition to porn "strange" and "reactionary" actually sounds kind of strange and reactionary to me. This was early 90s, not now: back then, not every female was begging to climb onto a stripper pole and call it empowerment - if anything, it was the opposite. I don't think it reflects any sort of biased POV to note that she got some controversy for that magazine cover - and from feminists - since feminists were mostly the ones who had a problem with it. It actually might be more biased to leave it out. But, the problem might be more in finding sources for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinderbloog (talkcontribs) 01:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

There is no consensus as to what is an acceptable feminist attitude towards sex and nudity. We are not a hive mind, as the previous comments pointed out. In the early/mid nineties I did some women's studies papers at Uni, and sex positive feminism was indeed common then. And it was certainly not climbing on a stripper pole and calling it empowerment - a comment that seems to reveal your belittling and reductive attitude towards those who disagree with you. You have no knowledge of your subject, and I agree with previous comments: nudity and feminism is not an either/or dichotomy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.145.252.66 (talk) 13:29, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

White Chalk-era unreleased song[edit]

Does anybody happen to know what PJ Harvey plans to do with the song "Bitter Little Bird?" For example, if she plans to release it as a B side? I was under the impression, after having seen a clip of her performing it live, that it was meant to be on the tracklist for "White Chalk." It's an incredible song, just absolutely gorgeous, hopefully she isn't scrapping it.

Blackmorningsun (too exhausted to log in and do this properly) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.20.44 (talk) 04:17, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

This song hasn't been released. "Wait" was a bonus track through iTunes which is a fantastic song as well. PJ says BLB was the first song she wrote on the piano. It's absolutely gorgeous. Hopefully it gets released at some point! -Laikalynx (talk) 03:52, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Personal Life[edit]

I'm a little dismayed to see that there is not much information on PJ's personal life in this article. Nothing too personal of course. But is she single? Has she been known to date men/women? Is she married to her music? Is PJ an extremely private person, hence why we know next to nothing about her private matters? -Laikalynx (talk) 03:52, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Yes, strange there's no mention here of her romance with fellow wordsmith Nick Cave. He's said in recent interviews that their failed relationship inspired The Boatman's Call [1]. 91.84.68.62 (talk) 17:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
It's now 2010, still no mention of her personal life, single, rel's, children, quotes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.58.37 (talk) 12:10, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

"Their subsequent break-up also influenced Cave's follow-up album, The Boatman's Call with songs such as "Into My Arms" and "Black Hair" being specifically about her." That sentence really would need citations and it is quite speculatory anyhow. Jbhf1 (talk) 14:01, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

  • No mention of her fox hunting advocacy? Or is this one of those corrupt articles which suppresses controversial info?Beingsshepherd (talk) 01:32, 4 August 2013 (UTC)Beingsshepherd

References[edit]

It's nice that PJ Harvey is the alternative music COTW; unfortunately i am on the road for business for a couple of weeks and don't have access to any references - :-( Deatonjr (talk) 01:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I think there's a bit of a problem with one of the references - it reads: "^ Irvin, Jim. "To Bring You Desire". Rolling Stone. 21 August 1998. Retrieved on 17 January 1998. " How can you retrieve an article before it is published? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrMelonhead (talkcontribs) 02:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

new Collaboration with Parish[edit]

I've removed the 'Replay of the Disco Dancing' as a title for this, because it's unsourced, and I noticed people around the web are starting to use wikipedia as a source for this; that shouldn't really happen. Until we find a name from a reliable source, I've taken it down. Mansize (talk) 09:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Head[edit]

What's the deal with this producer, "Head", who's worked on a lot of her stuff? Does anyone know enough to add a small blurb in this article, so that Head (producer) can redirect here, or enough to create a separate page for itself? -M.Nelson (talk) 21:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Vagrant Records[edit]

PJ Harvey is now a recording artist with Vagrant Records as well --US version of 'Let England Shake' is distributed by this company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.190.215.58 (talk) 15:18, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Sindinero (talk · contribs) 19:15, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
    See below - two issues need addressing.
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    See below - there are some citation problems that need to be addressed for a pass.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Musical style and image section[edit]

I wonder whether this section shouldn't be renamed and/or split up into two sections. The first long paragraph concerns her dislike of repetition and her stage personae, but the second paragraph is just straight influences, which doesn't seem covered by either "musical style" or "image," exactly. Sindinero (talk) 09:13, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

1993-present[edit]

This section is pretty long (and will, presumably/hopefully, only continue to get longer as the years go by). Would there be a logical way to break it up at all, somewhere around 2000 or so? Before I pass this article for the MOS/layout criterion, I'd like to hear what people think about this issue and the issue above, on "musical style and image". Sindinero (talk) 09:16, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

That's a good fix, but unless there's a good reason otherwise, you should use subsections instead of just bold text. I've made the changes. Sindinero (talk) 07:14, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Citation problems[edit]

Cobain's appreciation[edit]

If Kurt Cobain lists Dry as his 16th favorite album in his journals, then we need a citation to that source. Also, I've tagged the part of the sentence that says that Dry is "indirectly mentioned in Spin" - first of all the word "indirectly" suggests WP:OR, and secondly it may not even be correct. The source says that Cobain "loves the new PJ Harvey record." This issue is from October, 1993, so it's likely the record in question is "Rid of Me." Sindinero (talk) 08:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Performance at the skittles alley[edit]

The quote given: "we started playing and I suppose there was about fifty people there, and during the first song we cleared the hall. There was only about two people left. And a woman came up to us, came up to my drummer, it was only a three piece, while we were playing and shouted at him 'Don't you realize nobody likes you! We'll pay you, you can stop playing, we'll still pay you!'" is not in the source given. This needs to be sourced or removed. Sindinero (talk) 08:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I've addressed the issues mentioned above, and the CN templates throughout the article, and this is the only one that needs fixing. The quote is from the MP3 stream included in the source, not the short description/paragraphs on the page. Would it be useful to add a N.B. in the reference to make it clearer? Idiotchalk (talk) 03:52, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
My bad, I should have checked. But yes, that could potentially confuse others as well, so an n.b. might be in order. Btw, I hope to be done with the review in the next few days; I just need to check the references for the remaining sections. In general it's a solid (and enjoyable) article. Sindinero (talk) 06:44, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Wording in the "musical style" section[edit]

I have some reservations about this passage: " Around the time of To Bring You My Love, for example, Harvey began experimenting with her image and adopting an elaborate, theatrical, almost cabaret edge to her live shows. Where she once performed on stage in simple black leggings, turtleneck sweaters and Doc Martens, she now began performing in ballgowns, pink catsuits, wigs and garish, vampish make-up – including false eyelashes and fingernails – and using stage props like a broomstick and a Ziggy Stardust-style flashlight microphone." The wording here sounds a lot like music journalism, and I wonder if whoever wrote this might be sticking a little too closely to the source. Does anyone have access to where this came from (presumably the Spin article cited shortly afterwards)? It would probably be a good idea to reword this, if it is close to the original wording, to avoid inadvertent plagiarism. In any case, I've marked this sentence with a cn template since it's unclear that the Spin citation actually covers this material. Sindinero (talk) 11:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Clarification[edit]

In the sentence towards the end of the influences section: "...has also drawn inspiration from Russian folk music, Italian soundtrack composer Ennio Morricone, classical composers like Arvo Pärt, Samuel Barber and Henryk Górecki, and Neil Young," Neil Young is the only influence that's sourced, as far as I can tell, which is why I put the cn template where I did. Are there sources available for the others? Sindinero (talk) 12:11, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the cite - the new source covers Gorecki and Part, but we still need something for Morricone, Russian Folk music, and Samuel Barber. Sindinero (talk) 14:14, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Review complete[edit]

I've gone through the whole article, and put the review on hold until the last few issues can be fixed. These are all detailed above, but in summary:

  • The "Ziggy Stardust" sentence needs checking - it should have a source, and we should be confident that there's no risk of plagiarism.
  • We need sources showing the influence of Morricone, Russian Folk Music, and Samuel Barber.
    • Yes check.svg Done
  • The other remaining cn templates need to be addressed.

Sindinero (talk) 09:20, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Done, done and done. The same book is used for ref 91 but the quotes are on two different pages (55-57 for the Ziggy Stardust sentence and 92 for the "mask" quote). Should I use two seperate references or is it alright the way it is? Idiotchalk (talk)
Great, almost there - I'm not seeing "broomstick" in ref. 90. This is just a minor point, but should be either referenced or modified to something like "...began using various stage props" Sindinero (talk) 08:49, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
It mentions "witch's staff," which seems to indicate a broom, but for the sake of keeping it close to the original ref I edited it. Idiotchalk (talk) 14:34, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Never has been featured article[edit]

Seriously? PJ never became a featured article? I'm going to fix that by nominating the article. --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 03:54, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Hard rock[edit]

Someone (an IP) added hard rock as a genre, but it got reverted as undiscussed. I think this additional genre makes sense: most songs on Dry and Rid of me sound like hard rock to me, and she has worked with hard rock and heavy metal musicians. --Thüringer ☼ (talk) 22:09, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Hard rock isn't really a great classification for her. Her hard moments are alternative rock or punk blues for the most part. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 01:01, 21 August 2013 (UTC)