Talk:Pablo Picasso

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Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2014[edit]

Pablo Picasso Pablo Diego José Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno María de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santísima Trinidad Martyr Patricio Clito Ruiz y Picasso Demon cat (talk) 14:44, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} (tec) 15:55, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Misspelling Under Early Life[edit]

Last paragraph of Early Life, second sentence, the word "enrollment" is spelled as enrolment. I don't know how to fix it since it's a protected article. Someone please fix it. It's bugging me. 137.164.228.86 (talk) 19:21, 6 March 2014 (UTC)Keo

done...Modernist (talk) 21:10, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
I have changed it back to "enrolment", as this is the proper British spelling. I have done this because after using a quick CTRL-F on "our" I find words like "honouring", "colours" and "favourite", which is the British way of spelling. WP:ARTCON clearly says that within a given article there should be consistency of one version of spelling of English. AnnaOurLittleAlice (talk) 22:30, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Lead[edit]

The intro reads "Pablo Ruiz y Picasso, also known as Pablo Picasso was a Spanish painter, sculptor, printmaker, ceramicist, stage designer, poet and playwright who spent most of his adult life in France". I don't see how is this relevant for the first sentence of the article. Yes, he did indeed live in France for a long time (although never became a French citizen), but the first sentence, as I understand, should include the name, pronunciation, nationality (birth and/or acquired), and the main reason why this is person is relevant. I have removed the sentence who spent most of his adult life in France, but it was reverted by User:Modernist. It is not relevant for who he is that he lived in France. Let's see examples from other biographies of people who lived most of their life in another country:

    * Sergei Rachmaninoff
    * Albert Einstein
    * Pablo Casals
    * Arnold Schwarzenegger 
    * Dmitri Nabokov
    * Billy Wilder

Please discuss.--Karljoos (talk) 15:38, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Please note - your erroneous assertion was first deleted by User:Johnbod. And when you reinstated your assumptive edit I deleted it...Modernist (talk) 15:54, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Clearly It is very relevant that Picasso lived in France. Clearly you don't understand Picasso, and 20th century art. Picasso, Miró, Gris, Dali, and other important artists left Spain and went to Paris...and stayed there. Partially because Paris was the center of the art world until WW 2; partially because of the need for recognition to succeed in the world art market and partially because of politics. It is not an accident that Picasso did not return to Spain or leave France...Modernist (talk) 15:46, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes, let's look at those examples! Billy Wilder, like others, is an "Austrian-born American filmmaker". Casals is described as "Catalan", and depending on how Catalan-nationalist you are, remained living in Catalonia when he lived for a long time just over the French border. And so on. These don't help your case at all, as Picasso never changed his citizenship. Johnbod (talk) 16:07, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
You don't know what I understand or not, so please refrain from making personal remarks. Paris was indeed the centre of the arts in the first half of the 20th century, and Spain was a hostile place for many people, especially for artists, until the late 70s. So was Nazi Germany for many artists and scientists who emigrated to the States and did the bulk of their work there, but unless they became American citizens that fact is not given in the first sentence. Why should it be different here?--Karljoos (talk) 16:25, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Pau Casals spent most of his life outside Spain, and Billy Wilder became an American citizen. As Johnbod said, Picasso never became a French citizen (although he applied once in the 40s). Beethoven lived in Vienna most part of his life, but he is still known as "the genious from Bohn".--Karljoos (talk) 19:11, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Before his move to Paris ca. his 19th birthday, Picasso had won an honorable mention in Madrid for an academic student work, and had shown some drawings in Barcelona. International fame came only after the move to Paris, and he spent the next 70 years in France. An article about a person who achieved notability while living as an expatriate often explains this in the first sentence; see Alfred Sisley and Chaim Soutine for examples. Nothing in MOS:BIO prohibits the inclusion of this important information. How would the reader be served by leaving it out? Ewulp (talk) 06:19, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Name[edit]

Main section says "Crispiniano", infobox says "Cipriano". Anyone know which one is correct? Lexicon (talk) 02:55, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

The name on his baptismal certificate differs slightly from the name on his birth record. On-line Picasso Project. ...Crispiniano was omitted and in its place he was baptized Cipriano (the reason is unknown). It's sometimes written Pablo Diego José Santiago Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno Crispín Crispiniano de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santísima Trinidad Ruiz Picasso (See here). Coldcreation (talk) 03:17, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
That name also removes the "Maria" that has been in the name for years in this article. I had changed it to an even longer name as found on Biography.com. But I have no particular faith in it (or any version), so feel free to edit it to whatever you think is correct. Lexicon (talk) 03:53, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Also, your last link appears to go to something completely unrelated. Lexicon (talk) 03:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)